Man, You made my day. That was very funny. uttahere:Does a reduction in quality by other companies make this cylinder better? No it doesn't. That's why I don't "curve" grades in the classes I teach. In a class full of retards, the smartest retard is not an A student. In a class full of geniuses, the poorest performer is not an F student.
Ed,I tried a eulogy 4 pages (68 posts) earlier, but to no avail.
If only Dr. Kevorkian would return my calls...
Sorry Joat...it wouldn't work out. She's a bit of a "do it yourself"er herself.Ed,
Just pray you "significant other" doesn't call Dr. K. Let your "significant other" that dr. joat is close and available for a small fee.
I'll negotiate for that 076 in lieu of fee at the funeral,
Ed,Sorry Joat...it wouldn't work out. She's a bit of a "do it yourself"er herself.
She also shares my appreciation for quality, so you probably wouldn't make her list if she was looking for a professional.
Does the comment, do you pump your brakes 12k per minute add anything of substance to the conversation?One of my "strategies" is to try to get people focus on the issue. We are talking about the cylinder in the pictures that is a piece of crap relative to other Stihl cylinders. Based on reports of others, it looks like it might be a trend and not an anomaly.
Does a reduction in quality by other companies make this cylinder better? No it doesn't. That's why I don't "curve" grades in the classes I teach. In a class full of retards, the smartest retard is not an A student. In a class full of geniuses, the poorest performer is not an F student.
Does a statement that Toyota makes bad master cylinders add anything to the discussion? No. It is another distraction, and an unsubstantiated distraction at that. Even with pictures, however, it still would be a distraction. This person made the master cylinders, and therefore was part of Toyota's quality control. Are you suggesting he was putting out dangerous products? If so, your issue is with him and not me.
If you want to separate yourself from the blind supporters, take your own advice and read my posts on this thread before labeling me as a basher/piler. I do have fun with Stihl owners (and Chevy owners) on other threads, but it is just that...fun. It continues to be fun if the level of quality is the same. As I've stated numerous times in this thread, it isn't fun here, it is just sad. My posts are based on disappointment, not brand fidelity. If you can't tell the difference, then I can't help you understand.
The point of the comment was that the quality of Toyota's master cylinders doesn't add "anything of substance to the conversation", and certainly does not excuse a drop in quality without a drop in price.Does the comment, do you pump your brakes 12k per minute add anything of substance to the conversation?
I neither acknowledged you nor labelled you as a blind supporter. I stated that if you read my posts on this thread, and reached the conclusion that I'm here to rub the Stihl owner's noses in this mess, then you either have a reading comprehension issue, or you are missing the substance because of an unhealthy emotional involvement. At the time I assumed the latter was the more plausible option.How do you acknowledge me as a blind supporter vs you being a blind supporter yourself?
I would say you are absolutely right, but I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Is this what the majority of cylinders look like from all companies? Have Stihl cylinders always looked this way? I haven't had the opportunity to see as many of them as you have, but I have made a point of reading as much as I can find on how to improve them, both in terms of performance and durability. Maybe I'm reading the wrong things, but this:What more do you have to offer except minimal technical and scientific evidence that says the cylinder portrayed is detrimental to the performance of the product in question? Have I tore down more of the manufacturer's saws in question along with husqvarna saws then you have? I feel pretty confident saying yes....do you feel otherwise?
Not top of the line saws for sure, but they were the best I could afford. Given that you felt it necessary to follow Joat's lead and bring my wife into this, I'll point out that she is staying home with our 15 month old, so money is a little tight. The picture represents right around $600 total investment, and I went with used saws that I respected (except for the 141, which was sent to me by my dad when I told him the 61 was a little heavy for climbing) rather than something new that I didn't. The picture is there because I like my saws...I'm sorry that you don't.What is the purpose of taking a picture of your saws in your signature line? Is it to drive home the fact that you and your wife appreciate high quality products? If so, I think you may be lacking the highest quality saws, even in the manufacturer's displacement levels you have represented.
The full quote was: "I do have fun with Stihl owners (and Chevy owners) on other threads, but it is just that...fun. It continues to be fun if the level of quality is the same. As I've stated numerous times in this thread, it isn't fun here, it is just sad."I get a kick out of your comment "It isn't fun here"...what are you referring to? It must be fun here for you, since you seem to frequent the site quite often throughout the day?
The point that he appeared to be making was that this reduction in quality is acceptable because other companies are doing the same thing. That is a premise I reject.How can you say the guy that says he is making the master cylinders for toyota is anymore unsubstantiated than your comments? At least he is involved in the manufacturing process ....what are you involved in the "criticism department"?
"That's why I don't "curve" grades in the classes I teach."I also like your comment....about the class full of retards...I have no idea what level of education you teach. However, if you do teach at the college level, I personally learned the most from a computer logics class that was graded on a curve that the average 'A' was a mid 50's or less percentile.
I would have to agree with you there. It seems you have great difficulty understanding what I write, and so at least part of the blame should fall on me.I also think that if your teaching at a college level and you have a class full of retards, it may have to do with the quality of teaching of the teacher.
uummm.. that never touches the piston let alone the rings....Maybe I'm reading the wrong things, but this:
sure looks like it would be hard on the rings. Does your experience tell you otherwise? Is this how you would finish a transfer? Is this how other companies do it? Is this how Stihl has always done it? If not, then there has been a reduction in quality.
Hey...that is the bottom of the cylinder at the top! I need to label my pictures better...or learn to read.uummm.. that never touches the piston let alone the rings....
Back to the beginning:Nice casting ehh?
The combustion chamber isn't any too pretty either.
I noticed that ALL the ports are more beveled on the left side than the right. The transfers are particularly pathetic. You have a HUGE bevel on one side, and NONE on the other.
Here this is supposed to be one of Stihls professional saws. They have majorly dropped the ball on cylinder quality!
Thought I'd add my 2 cents. Lot's of posts but everyone seems to acknowledge that quality has slipped. Everything is bottom line because no one wants to pay for quality. Look at the quality of after market P&C. Not too good. If you still want quality better buy a Husky while you can. Do we really have another 500 posts for this subject?:So much for Stihl quality ehh? Check out this crap I found in a brand new MS260! The piston is marked Mahle and looks good. The cylinder is only marked Stihl. What are they doing? Outsourcing this crap to China?! Sure looks like it. So much for bashing the BB kits and hold up Stihl as an example. At least Husky is stihl using Mahle cylinders on their pro saws that I've seen.
Finish of the transfers.
And check out this chip!!
Nice big bulge in the intake.
And a big lip from the other side!
Nice casting line.
Check out the edge of the exhaust port. And more nice casting flaws.