I just wanted to share this info from eBay, I've been watching the ads for a cpl yrs now. At the end of Summer or after Xmas is the best time to buy, as the bids don't get too high. This guys sells the 260 with no bar or chain. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stihl-260-...vip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l10137 This ^ particular ad went for a whopping bid of $330 This guy sells the 260 and 361 with 1 bar and 3 chains. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stihl-MS36...h=item48b6631b4d:g:mjAAAOSwol5YxFhB:rk:1f:0 I won my 361 from this ^ guy with a bid of $485! Came with 1 bar and 3 chains. This guy sells the 260 and 361 with 3 bars(16",18",20") and 9 chains (3 per bar). But he won't be selling again till after the new yr(Jan 1 2019), this is who I bought my 260 from. It's brand new, refurb is an EPA thing. I think he is the best deal with all the accessories, if you need them. I've seen the 260 go as low as $430 and the 361 as low as $521. https://www.ebay.com/usr/sawrebuilderone I won my 26o from this ^ guy with a bid of $490! It came with 3 bars and 9 chains. All these saws are brand new!