Falling pics 11/25/09

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A pressure gauge can be a real eye opener. There's usually quite a bit of safety margin built in to the red line but age and normal deterioration can make the limit something of a guessing game. I've seen jacks blow out and I've had pressure gauges and pump lines rupture. If you're right up to the limits of the jack and that happens it gets real ugly real quick. If I'm going to be jacking trees that I know will test the limits of the jack I'll carry some shims with me. Another good trick is to wedge as you jack and wedge as much as possible the whole time. That way if your jack blows out or if the tree sets back hard on the jack you might have a better chance of getting out without tearing up expensive equipment.
Another caution about jacks, as long as I'm blabbing away, is to never ever assume a jack will solve all your problems with a bad leaner. Using a combination cut, like the Coos Bay, along with a little gentle jacking, will usually produce better results. And it might result in a lot less cussing, too. :smile2:


Thats some great info right there! I was thinking about that with the wedges. I stacked them and tried to keep them tight hoping my jack would hold. The hinge made me a little nervous too. Thanks Gologit!

Heres another one from the next day. Nevermind the cut farthest down. I kind of lost my mind on that one. Its kind of fun to watch, but hopefully I can get one of a better stump in the future. Each successive kerf should have been not as far back, kind of like steps and a chunk came out that was not supposed to. I also put a siswel in the far side for good measure. The tree started to grab my saw which delayed the motion a little I think. There was enough wood. My camera died as soon as the stem hit the ground. Oh well. Entertainment if anything else.

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That was great bud. I saw a tree fall faster than any tree I've ever seen! I think you had 95% of the wod holding that thing cut up before youn went to hit the back. I saw full compression of your kerfs, and it rolled around I'd say right where you wanted it.

I was rolling through my work today and slammed a face in a sizeable chestnut oak, it had th signs but I was just hummin along and didn't make much notice, the face dropped out and I reached around and threw in a dutchman and she sat. Argh. Sure enough, when I at that point had to deal with a my saw stuck in the face/dutchman in the off side I walked to face the tree and sure enough, hollow. I was lucky though, i got a wedge into the kerf and got the saw out, took out the wedge, back cut and let her go.

I have improved my dutchman skills by only taking out wood on the front third of the hinge/back rather than what I was doing which was more like cutting off the whole underside in a line parallel with the falling direction, which caused too many to sit back despite desiring otherwise. Now they'r ecoming around better.

Good to see progress in technique, and work is good, but with this new gig, I sure do miss having a falling partner or more!
 
One of the noisiest faux pas was having a Redwood uproot with only half the backcut completed. At least it sort of went into the lay.
Ray and I waited two hours for a skybound tree to fall, there is definately a point were you walk aways away.
 
One of the noisiest faux pas was having a Redwood uproot with only half the backcut completed. At least it sort of went into the lay.
Ray and I waited two hours for a skybound tree to fall, there is definately a point were you walk aways away.

It's called, smoke and get high. . .



IM trashed/ / / / /
 
OK, some small firewood poles here, as I´m teaching my right hand some stuff again after neck backbone injury. Rate me or have a fun.

The object of the first two photos is the snag in the middle. The first photo is from the left side, considering the direction of fall (to the left in the photo). This 12“DBH oak has a bit of head lean and quite a bit mass disbalance. Also, the top above that left-protruding branch was leaning toward the photographer and had most branches protruding this direction, making the crown quite flat. But major plane of this flatness was oriented from about 2 to 8 o´clock, compared to 6 to 12 o´clock direction of desired fall. The availible coridor was about 6´ wide for whole crown, since the object was not to even scratch young trees on it´s sides.


Standard procedure would be a fat hinge on the right side, relying on strengt in pull during some torque. I had serious doubts about this being the safe way here, since the snagwood is usually damn brittle in this area (actually, I haven´t seen more brittle oak wood in whole life).
So, no relying on any pull anywhere, do the best to force it to „sit down“ for any move. The plan: conventional face, opened with sth as a „boxcut“ on the right (pull side) and quite closed on the left. I bored for very uneven hingewood, very thin and tall with a shallow dutchman on the right side, thicker and short on the left side. With releasing the holding strap, hit the right hingewood a little bit more, so when the branches way above get first contact with other crown, the right side of the hingewood collapsed forward (but still atached), turning the tree counterclokwise and letting it sit to the right, aligning it with the free space and then forcing it to jump off the stump. The left part of the hinge was sheared off by the weight of the tree, rather than pulled apart as usual, as I hoped for. The difference in fiber pull/shear is visible in the photo
Aftermath: (This was some good ilustration about the need to KNOW by hands, not by mind variations through different places where one is cuting. I tried it somewhere else, where the wood is a bit different-without the need, having enought space, just to test it. No big succes, the estimations I did were not right-and the wood was brittle somehow differently, I can feel it, but not say how, why etc.) (That´s a stump B&C mounted) Branches got bent to compact form quite well, but frankly, I got a bit pinched twice during cutting them off. Some of them had 90 deg axial torque accomodated, making it very funny to cut.


(Other site, one of bunch of trees) This oak has about 17“ DBH/stump dia, some head and left side lean. Althought a lot of space, not to disturb crowns of trees on the left protruding under few remaining branches of this snag above that free space was a must. Humboldt undercut btw, otherways nothing special I think.








And now, maybe get ready your laughpads (that´s not mistype). A logtruck as you have never seen it, I suppose:


This is a smaller load, the tree above was rigt to go twice for it. Once again:


In this second picture, the payload is somewhere around 650-700 lbs, since bottom two rows are mostly green 8-9 ft. oak posts. It´s fun to tow this by MTB, and more to watch the faces around. Main reason for this not-so-common transportation is that the trees were from higly protected potable water supply area. No big problem to get an acknowledgement with foresters and cut there (but very limited fuel/bar oil supply allowed), but quite a long lasting issue to get a permit from the water supervising company to drive there. This is easier, instant, no permit needed and helps to take me back to good shape.
 
Don't worry Randy, that'll be coming soon. Have you stepped out on the Jetty yet? Not sure what kind of seasons you get out there.

Bob, the ocean has been rough and dirty. been hankering for blackened Snapper.
I did check the bearded clams (mussels) for sand, very gritty, it takes a few days of clear seas for them to clear out.
There is always something in season, although they restricted the Ling Cod to the point where it is worse than Salmon fishing.

Hey Kid!! do you eyes glow in the dark?
 
That was great bud. I saw a tree fall faster than any tree I've ever seen! I think you had 95% of the wod holding that thing cut up before youn went to hit the back. I saw full compression of your kerfs, and it rolled around I'd say right where you wanted it.

I was rolling through my work today and slammed a face in a sizeable chestnut oak, it had th signs but I was just hummin along and didn't make much notice, the face dropped out and I reached around and threw in a dutchman and she sat. Argh. Sure enough, when I at that point had to deal with a my saw stuck in the face/dutchman in the off side I walked to face the tree and sure enough, hollow. I was lucky though, i got a wedge into the kerf and got the saw out, took out the wedge, back cut and let her go.

I have improved my dutchman skills by only taking out wood on the front third of the hinge/back rather than what I was doing which was more like cutting off the whole underside in a line parallel with the falling direction, which caused too many to sit back despite desiring otherwise. Now they'r ecoming around better.

Good to see progress in technique, and work is good, but with this new gig, I sure do miss having a falling partner or more!

Thanks Hammer! I really debated posting this because I butchered that stump up so bad. I've made a lot better looking faces with the series of kerfs and I think it does make a difference having them staggered towards the front rather than all under each other. The action is interesting to see though. The top kerf I cut from where I wanted it to go almost all the way back to where it wanted to go. I pullled the saw out really quick and it sat down. It was limb-locked in the tree to the left orginally and it started creepin out. I put the undercut in next, then the next two kerfs. I went back up and hit the top one again and pulled out super quick and it nearly got me. Then I put the fourth one in when I realized my top two where tight to make sure I was going to get enough movement. The top moved completely free from the limb-lock at that point and several feet ahead. With it sitting down on three kerfs that dropped the butt a little over an inch. I don't remember exactly what an inch of lift will get you as far as movement of the top (obviously depending on the height) but I would think an inch of drop will get you somewhere in the ballpark of the same.

I started doing this a lot with fence line trees a couple of years ago. Those trees are generally short, have huge crowns and a lot of weight leaning way out over a field. In order to easily back up to a butt for skidding I wanted a way to get them almost parallel to the fence line and then it was just back up and drag the whole damn thing across the field like a big piece of brocolli. It took a few times to realize when was the last possible second to pull out before it sat down hard. More than once I chopped the tension wood with my ax while I grabbed at the rear handle and waited for the butt to pass over it before I could grab my saw. The good thing about my job is I get to mess around with new things. I'm not necessarily under the gun of production and if I stuff one high up in a nearby tree theres no one to ##### at me about it. Just piece it down and learn.

I saw that of your dutches in your last butt pics. Or at least thats what I think you're talking about. You do make some super clean cuts man!
 
Bob, the ocean has been rough and dirty. been hankering for blackened Snapper.
I did check the bearded clams (mussels) for sand, very gritty, it takes a few days of clear seas for them to clear out.
There is always something in season, although they restricted the Ling Cod to the point where it is worse than Salmon fishing.

Are you sure you're talkin about the ocean here? Sounds like some broads I used to know.
 
scratched eyeball. day off with a tie wrapped around the head covering the affected bugger. Yes, I have a tie. You know, stepping up a roadbank to cut the timber above, ####er went straight in. Tried to finish out the day, between trying to get the thing out of my eye, which wasn't there cause its scratched, and cutting on a west slope in the afternoon with the damn sun out in front, can't look up can't look into the sun.... half speed and frustrating. Called off today, the loggers will be ok they can catch me but they can't pass me!
 
I hate getting an eye messed with. My last episode occurred on what was supposed to be a gravy day, cutting a few large trees to finish up a unit and going home early. Something,(a piece of wood likely) banged my eye just off center. It felt like there was something stuck in there good, and it got worse as the day went on. I ended up going to the emergency clinic place where some cute doctor gave me some drops and told me that I had scratched my retina and that there was nothing in there but there would be a lot of pain. It was no fun, but no where near as bad as burnt eyes from welding:monkey:
Hope your scratch gets better Joe, Mine was feeling normal and seeing clear after just a few days.

Randy, they look just like those of a dog.
 
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That sucks Joe! Eyes and fingers are the worst. Hope you're good to go soon.

Back to the dutch.... So do you mean you were cutting off the far side of the hinge entirely after you put in the face, parallel to the lay and then back-cut? I'm having a hard time visualizing. And now you put in a face and then cut the far side third all the way off or just back. Just interesting to hear how you do it. I'm always taking notes from you guys in the big leagues. I'm just out here playin pick-up games when I can get them. I'm like a sponge looking for nutrients to absorb.
 
Bitzer,
The following applies to the trees leaning roughly 110 degrees form the intended lay- typical on slopes where most lean one way, about 75 degrees from the intended lay, but some leaning the other way somewhat. So, most of the timber will go where you want it, sidehill, but some have to be wedged or swung to line up with everything else. Ocassionally due to lean a tree will have to go opposite all the other trees but the stem is still parallel, and some monster red oaks you just have to dump because they'll go there anyhow or you'll bust butt wood pulling them so there is no point in pulling them. Bragging rights on pulling big valuable logs does not go very far with timber buyers if you bust a veneer log! I'll say this though, you have to be careful where you dump a tree when you have a whole hillside of sidehill timber bucked below you! You can easily get in a situation where you have a tree to top where you really don't want to be standing. Spend 3 minutes loooking at whot is hooked behind what stumps, etc to keep #### from rolling, maybe a locking cut to keep #### in place, and of course, the russian coupling, and then the line, "#### the hookers" cause they can deal with it!

After facing the tree I was cutting out the entire offside half of the tree and then backcutting, but they were often setting back instead of coming around so they would have to be wedged over anyhow. So now, if you will picture the remaining wood after facing, I am still cutting about half way through my hinge but if the back wood is a half circle, half a pie, I am taking out one of the three pieces of pie left, the most offside piece. This seems to make the tree swing around more often and more predictably toward the intended lay much better then taking out the whole half, the whole offfside as I was doing.

The eye is already way better, I could cut tomorrow but I am going to look at a new tract, something for the future. Vision is a little fuzzy, I was having a hard time seeing well enough to get ahead on filing, but no more eye cover is necessary, most of the time. It looks like I've been hanging out with the kid! Probably should be!
 
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The dutchman has as many variables as you want to put into it. But it is all in what kind of lean you are working with, and how much you can re direct the tree without it losing altitude. it gets really technical when it comes to how much wood you take out of the face,(kirf) depth wise, what kind of angles, and how much you open up the kirf, and in what increments. Get the angles and depth wrong and the tree settles,(on the saw of course!) use too much kirf and often the tree comes off the stump and does things not intended. I wish I could convey my thoughts better. . .
 
scratched eyeball. day off with a tie wrapped around the head covering the affected bugger. Yes, I have a tie. You know, stepping up a roadbank to cut the timber above, ####er went straight in. Tried to finish out the day, between trying to get the thing out of my eye, which wasn't there cause its scratched, and cutting on a west slope in the afternoon with the damn sun out in front, can't look up can't look into the sun.... half speed and frustrating. Called off today, the loggers will be ok they can catch me but they can't pass me!

I'm wincing reading this Joe, not fun at all. Heal up - Sam
 

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