7yr old Speeco receiving pump transplant, upgrade

[wdchuck]

Well, I've read all the threads and the latest one really got the fire going under my chair so I burned the midnight oil doing internet research, then made a couple phone calls, and my workbench is now supporting a 16gpm Haldex pump from Northern Tool. The splitter is parked over a wide but shallow spread of sawdust to catch any excess blood during the transplant.

If the surgery goes well tomorrow, without rejection complications, then it will be put to hard use immediately with posted results.

 

[CWME]

Makes them into a whole new machine by adding a few more GPM. My old American had an 11 and was slow. Upgraded to the same pump you have and it is a different machine.

Have fun! Look forward to hearing how you like your upgrade!

 

[wdchuck]

:bang:


The new pump and the old pump are exactly the same.

So. The question now is, what do I adjust, and how much do I adjust whatever can be adjusted to get the 12sec cycle that this thing is capable of reaching.



One good thing to come out of this, well two things really:

1.) found out the lovejoy rubber could use replacement

2.) now know where the tank is leaking since I gave the whole thing a bath, guess I need to empty the tank, leave orrifices open so I can weld over the leak. OR degrease the surface and apply some jbweld.

The tank is leaking on the bottom edge towards the hitch. Must be a pinhole or something. 9" from the outer edge, so its not from the axle mount.

 

[Iron man]

Can you send the pump back and exchange it for a higher volume one?That's the only way I can see to speed it up.

 

[wdchuck]

1/2hp for each gpm............9.0hp engine = 18gpm max......according to the rules.


The engine is hardly working as it is.

Based on my experience with the current setup, I wouldn't hesitate to put a 22gpm pump on it.

By the way, does anyone know what is special about an I/C engine by B/S?


The receipt is handy so the new pump is going back tomorrow depending on return policy regarding a check.

 

[triptester]

If the pump is a Barnes style pump a 16 gpm pump will be 5 1/2 " mounting face to back of pump. The 11 gpm pump will be 4 7/8" long. The extra gpm is gotten from a slightly wider high flow gear.

 

[wdchuck]

Haldex sticker on the existing pump.

Northern Tool on the new pump.

Here's what I looked at:

11gpm
Haldex Hydraulic Pump — 11 GPM, 2-Stage, Model# 1001689 | Pumps | Northern Tool + Equipment

16gpm
Haldex Hydraulic Pump — 16 GPM, 2-Stage, Model# 1001507 | Pumps | Northern Tool + Equipment

The AS thread that pushed me over the upgrade edge:

http://www.arboristsite.com/firewood-heating-wood-burning-equipment/181062.htm

Turns out I have the same setup. Tank is 36"x10"x6".....16gpm....4.5cylinder

 

[STLfirewood]

I wouldn't settle for a 12second cycle time. I would sell the thing and buy a super splitter. Then you could have a 2 1/2 second cycle time. The wife said you could. You'll wonder what took you so long.

Scott

 

[shelbythedog]

By the way, does anyone know what is special about an I/C engine by B/S?

IIRC I/C Briggs engines have a cast iron sleeve bore rather than aluminum, and a bearing in the side cover instead of a bushing.

 

[triptester]

1/2hp for each gpm............9.0hp engine = 18gpm max......according to the rules.


The engine is hardly working as it is.

Based on my experience with the current setup, I wouldn't hesitate to put a 22gpm pump on it.

By the way, does anyone know what is special about an I/C engine by B/S?


The receipt is handy so the new pump is going back tomorrow depending on return policy regarding a check.

The 1/2hp for each gpm, is whats needed to operate a 2-stage pump at a rated capacity. Adding horsepower won't increase flow but will allow for a slight increase in pressure. Your 9.0 horse will operate a 22 gpm 2-stage pump but max. pressure will be greatly reduced.

 

[wdchuck]

Thanks for the information guys, good to know.

Scott, the vertical splitting is a valuable option for me to quarter large rounds. I will add more equipment when possible, but will retain what I have.


The store should take their pump back, it was in stock.

I'll call Ron at Speeco today and see what info he has to offer.

 

[wdchuck]

Well, the patient will live, and at this leisurely pace, for many moons to come.


Information from a variety of sources and I can now make the splitter work slower, but not faster. 9 seconds out, 9seconds on the return is as good as it gets on the timex.

There is one port at top left side that couldn't be accessed without loosening the body of the pump to gain clearance to turn the fastener and I wasn't about to go that far.

Still, it was a positive experience. It is what it is.

Only 15% of a wood sale can be put away for an SS so it will be (160 1/3cords), quite awhile before things speed up around here. A conveyor of some sort will become a necessity so add that to the bill. Unless, I put a tow hitch, sleeve style on the engine end so it can be pulled away from the pile. Like the SplitRight folks have done, pull it from either end.

If I do 4-5 cords per week, I'll still hit my goal of 30+ cords by Dec 1. Plus another bottle of ibuprofen, a few ice baths.


Thanks for the help folks.

 

[Iron man]

A smaller cylinder would make it faster.If you have a 5in on it now and go to a 4 it would sure be faster and have power for most everything still.An 18 second cycle time seems a bit slow but still beats the hell out of doing it by hand.

 

[Husq445]

So is the new pump set to run at a lower psi or why is it that the 16gpm pump won't outrun the 11?

 

[STLfirewood]

Well, the patient will live, and at this leisurely pace, for many moons to come.


Information from a variety of sources and I can now make the splitter work slower, but not faster. 9 seconds out, 9seconds on the return is as good as it gets on the timex.

There is one port at top left side that couldn't be accessed without loosening the body of the pump to gain clearance to turn the fastener and I wasn't about to go that far.

Still, it was a positive experience. It is what it is.

Only 15% of a wood sale can be put away for an SS so it will be (160 1/3cords), quite awhile before things speed up around here. A conveyor of some sort will become a necessity so add that to the bill. Unless, I put a tow hitch, sleeve style on the engine end so it can be pulled away from the pile. Like the SplitRight folks have done, pull it from either end.

If I do 4-5 cords per week, I'll still hit my goal of 30+ cords by Dec 1. Plus another bottle of ibuprofen, a few ice baths.


Thanks for the help folks.

Put a wheel like a boat jack on the front leg of the splitter. As you split wood it will make a pile and push the SS backwards. Or you could easily roll it. I push mine around pretty easy.


Scott

 

[wdchuck]

So is the new pump set to run at a lower psi or why is it that the 16gpm pump won't outrun the 11?

The new pump was a 16gpm unit. It was returned.

The original pump, which I thought was an 11gpm unit, turned out to be a 16gpm, so it's all a moot point.


Ironman: The splitter has a 4.5" cylinder.

 

[Iron man]

Something is not right.With a 4.5 bore and a 2in ram(not sure what size the ram is on yours) you would need a 40in stroke to have a 18 sec cycle time.Is the engine running at full throttle?A 24in stroke with the 4.5 would be 11 seconds.I think further investigation is needed.

 

[wdchuck]

As pointed out earlier......I'm not the sharpest tool in the box. So, if you have something for me to look for, I'm all ears.

The engine throttle is pulled out as far as it goes. What rpm it's at, is anyones guess.

 

[Iron man]

Maybe you actually needed that pump you sent back? Ill get this one for you:bang:LOL Possibly the pump on it is stuck in the second stage?

 

[wdchuck]

The pump is fine, well, the rubber in the lovejoy is a little stretched but its enjoyed many hours of splitting love so its bound to be stretched a bit. Time for a new one if I can get just that part.

Second stage and first stage both work fine, in fact the slower stage hasn't seen a lot of action lately, but the upcoming elm will exercise it plenty.

The forecast shows rain the next couple days so maybe I'll venture into the pump a bit more to allow the room necessary to turn that yet unexplored port/fitting. Sure hope there aren't any mystery gaskets or anything in the body of the valve assembly.