Homelite Chainsaws

[watsonr]

I'm really glad to hear it's you and not some jackass ebay saw flipper (or 'saw maggot' as JJ calls them).

I returned the guy's email, telling him that if the guy who he's committed to selling the saw to was named Randy M, that we'd both be seeing that person the same day as my reason for being up that way was to visit you. Also told him that in that case I'll end up seeing the saw when you show it to me later on Saturday.

Words uttered just before he told the guy how much the saw was really worth and that he would pay $5 more than asking price:msp_scared:

AND since the pics are out, it looks like a 2000/2100?

 

[Eccentric]

Words uttered just before he told the guy how much the saw was really worth and that he would pay $5 more than asking price:msp_scared:

AND since the pics are out, it looks like a 2000/2100?

You know me better than that Mr Watson.. My honor is worth more to me than any chainsaw....or the $$$ to be had from reselling one.

Can't see whether or not it has a decomp lever. That's what would would tell whether it's an XP1020A/1050 6.1 cube saw or a 7 cube 2000. Has the wrong flywheel cover to be a 2100.

 

[watsonr]

You know me better than that Mr Watson..

I thought that would bring a smile early this morning :hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange: Got my fingers crossed for Randy, looks like a nice saw! You can see the decomp in the first picture on top of the rear handle. Looks like 1050 to me.

And I do know you better:msp_wink:

 

[Steve NW WI]

Thanks for the links, Cliff. Unfortunately, not many pics on Acre's site of those models. All I see for changes in the specs are going from a HL261 carb on the 1000 to a HL222 on the 1020/1050 saws, and a recoil change during the run of the 1020s.

Guess I'll know more tomorrow.

 

[Eccentric]

I thought that would bring a smile early this morning :hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange: Got my fingers crossed for Randy, looks like a nice saw!

I knew you were joking Randy. Not sure if others did.....

 

[watsonr]

I knew you were joking Randy. Not sure if others did.....

Aaron, your a stand up guy... no question about it....... unless your laying down:msp_thumbup:

 

[Eccentric]

Thanks for the links, Cliff. Unfortunately, not many pics on Acre's site of those models. All I see for changes in the specs are going from a HL261 carb on the 1000 to a HL222 on the 1020/1050 saws, and a recoil change during the run of the 1020s.

Guess I'll know more tomorrow.

An XP1000 will have the overrunning bearing starter and will be manual oiler only unless it has the RARE add on auto oiler clutch cover. Inboard clutch.

An XP1020 will have the better two pawl ratchet starter system. Still manual oiler only...

An XP1020A will have manual and auto oilers, and will have an outboard clutch.

A 1050 will be largely the same as an XP1020A. Minor changes through the run.

Sometimes starter systems get switched around between the various XP and C-series saws. Model number was on a metal tag riveted to the flywheel cover. They are often missing. The flywheel cover may have also been changed without the correct mn/sn tag being swapped onto the 'new' cover.

Be aware that the XP-series saws and the C-series share the same size/look, and most parts can be swapped around. An "XP" saw can turn out to be a 77cc C-5 engine equipped frankensaw....

 

[Eccentric]

I thought that would bring a smile early this morning :hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange: Got my fingers crossed for Randy, looks like a nice saw! You can see the decomp in the first picture on top of the rear handle. Looks like 1050 to me.

And I do know you better:msp_wink:

That's the manual oiler button my friend. Centered over the rear handle for all saws in this extended family. C-5 through 2100-S.

A 2000/2100/3100G decomp is a wire lever behind the cylinder shield. 1050's don't have them. Only the seven cube saws in this series had a decomp setup.

 

[Eccentric]

Aaron, your a stand up guy... no question about it....... unless your laying down:msp_thumbup:

You are too Randy. Time for me to go lay down however. 0138 Hrs....

 

[Eccentric]

My guess is also 1050 or XP1020A. Just not seeing a decomp lever (although the angle of the pic makes it hard to see for sure). Muffler cover doesn't look right for a 2000 either. Wish we had a pic clearly showing the back of the cylinder shield. Heck......we'll know for certain Saturday. If I get cell signal I will post our findings.

 

[cbfarmall]

My guess is also 1050 or XP1020A. Just not seeing a decomp lever (although the angle of the pic makes it hard to see for sure). Muffler cover doesn't look right for a 2000 either. Wish we had a pic clearly showing the back of the cylinder shield. Heck......we'll know for certain Saturday. If I get cell signal I will post our findings.

Muffler is a dead giveaway it's not a 7 cube Homelite. The biguns use the giant four bolt muffler. That saw has the dinky 6 cube muffler and cover. There is no way to interchange them. With that clutch cover, it'll be an auto-oiler saw.

Edit: Also, the spark looks to NOT be on the left side, which rules out the 2000/2100.

Chris B.

 

[Ambull]

That's the manual oiler button my friend. Centered over the rear handle for all saws in this extended family. C-5 through 2100-S.

A 2000/2100/3100G decomp is a wire lever behind the cylinder shield. 1050's don't have them. Only the seven cube saws in this series had a decomp setup.

The muffler guard totally gives it away, that it is not a 2000.

2000/2100 muffler guards look like this:

See the difference:

If the clutch cover is correct, it is an automatic oiler, with an external clutch. Either a 1020 automatic or a 1050 automatic.

 

[cbfarmall]

The muffler guard totally gives it away, that it is not a 2000.

2000/2100 muffler guards look like this:

See the difference:

If the clutch cover is correct, it is an automatic oiler, with an external clutch. Either a 1020 automatic or a 1050 automatic.

Didn't I just say all that.

Chris B.

 

[cbfarmall]

An XP1000 will have the overrunning bearing starter and will be manual oiler only unless it has the RARE add on auto oiler clutch cover. Inboard clutch.

An XP1020 will have the better two pawl ratchet starter system. Still manual oiler only...

An XP1020A will have manual and auto oilers, and will have an outboard clutch.

A 1050 will be largely the same as an XP1020A. Minor changes through the run.

Sometimes starter systems get switched around between the various XP and C-series saws. Model number was on a metal tag riveted to the flywheel cover. They are often missing. The flywheel cover may have also been changed without the correct mn/sn tag being swapped onto the 'new' cover.

Be aware that the XP-series saws and the C-series share the same size/look, and most parts can be swapped around. An "XP" saw can turn out to be a 77cc C-5 engine equipped frankensaw....

At the risk of crashing the internet, where does the Super XP1020AO fit into all this?

Chris B.

 

[homelitejim]

It is still a very cool saw, heck I have been looking for one for almost a decade and have not turned one up 6 cubes or above, I have found a few 5 cube examples but it is not the same.

 

[Ambull]

Didn't I just say all that.

Chris B.

I apologize Chris, having internet update issues on my 'puter. You said it, but you didn't have pictures....lol.

 

[Eccentric]

At the risk of crashing the internet, where does the Super XP1020AO fit into all this?

Chris B.

Other than badging, It's probably the same as an early 1050. I'd have to pour over the IPL's to tell exactly what's different between the XP1020A, Super XP1020AO, and 1050. The 1050's had several parts changes throughout the run. Different intake manifolds, carbs (including some SDC's), ignition componants, etc. Later 1050's have plastic triggers instead of metal. Decals changed. Small stuff....

I don't have a 2000 IPL and couldn't remember if it had a 1050-like muffler shield and smaller muffler, or if it had the larger parts used on the 2100. Never actually seen a 2000 in person (just pics) either. Just 2100 and 2100-S saws (and XP1000's, XP1020's, and 1050's). The 2100-S has that huge muffler with the four large nuts on the outside. Also has the large chip chute type clutch cover. Then there's the 2100/3100 flywheel cover with the spark plug cover that attaches with the winged bolt....

 

[Eccentric]

Looking at Randy's pics again, I see what could be the metal blockoff plugs on that carb box (for saws used with the Walbro SDC). Those plugs go in place of the carb needles and rubber grommets that are on Tillotson HL equipped saws. SDC's were only used on some later 1050's. There was also a 'kit' sold by Homelite dealers. Was meant to retrofit an HL equipped saw with the SDC, the unique manifold for it, the 'spitback tube', and those plugs for the carb box. Pic's pretty grainey, so I can't tell for sure however. I can see that the starter handle is 'wrong'....:jester:

 

[cbfarmall]

Other than badging, It's probably the same as an early 1050. I'd have to pour over the IPL's to tell exactly what's different between the XP1020A, Super XP1020AO, and 1050. The 1050's had several parts changes throughout the run. Different intake manifolds, carbs (including some SDC's), ignition componants, etc. Later 1050's have plastic triggers instead of metal. Decals changed. Small stuff....

I don't have a 2000 IPL and couldn't remember if it had a 1050-like muffler shield and smaller muffler, or if it had the larger parts used on the 2100. Never actually seen a 2000 in person (just pics) either. Just 2100 and 2100-S saws (and XP1000's, XP1020's, and 1050's). The 2100-S has that huge muffler with the four large nuts on the outside. Also has the large chip chute type clutch cover. Then there's the 2100/3100 flywheel cover with the spark plug cover that attaches with the winged bolt....

You may be mixing up the 2100S and the Super 2100. Far as I know the big clutch cover was used only on the Super along with modified extension and wider clutch.

Also, I've only seen that winged bolt for the plug cover on my saw. Every other 2100/3100 has had the slotted bolt. Must be rare.

Chris B.

 

[RandyMac]

I'm not intending to keep it, but the timing is good and it won't get grabbed by someone who will part it out.
I might let Aaron do an R&R on and sell it to someone who wants it. Anyways, it is almost worth the cost for the bar alone.
I am in a downsizing mode, going to pare things down to a manageable level, but that doesn't mean that I won't be keeping an eye on local saws.