Extreme lean + heavy on lean side + heart rot . . .

[bitzer]

For some reason I can't see page 5 on this. Anyway, I've been cutting swamps for like 6 weeks now. Knee to waist high stumps with massive heart rot the norm. leavin whole sides of back cuts to pull for my dutchmens and doin a lot of coos bay type material. Boring the heart of the hinge (if one) and wide open faces whether its a humboldt or a coventional and always with a snipe. Butts exploding and crumpling, etc. On your toes at all times kind of thing. Knowing when and how much you can get away with. Creativity for sure.

Heavy leaners can have deep faces with a little reaming and watching if thats what you need.

Damn lawn fairies I tell ya.

Correction: its only been 4 weeks in the swamps? Holy #### it seems like months.

Anyway- There is compression wood and there is holding wood. As much compression wood as can be removed the better. The compression causes the chair.

 

[tramp bushler]

Would you guys give pdq some slack. !!! He has been real helpful to
me over on the climbing side.

 

[rwoods]

Rounder, thanks - good explanation. My confused smilie msp_confused had to do with the second "hierarchical" posted early this AM which has now been removed by the mods. Ron

 

[bitzer]

Would you guys give pdq some slack. !!! He has been real helpful to
me over on the climbing side.

NO! Just kiddin. I'm sure hes really good at what he does. He has gotten into it like this before though. Two very different worlds of tree cutting.

 

[pdqdl]

Bitzer; was the lawn fairy aimed at me? I kinda like it...thinking about adding it to my sig. I might as well add it, then you guys might not keep worrying about competing with or learning something from the lawn monkey.

It's true; Logging is considerably different than tree service, so is line clearance. I have not yet figured out why you guys think a post is chocked full of errors just because I don't claim to make my living selling the wood that I cut down.

No matter why a fellow walks up to a tree, that tree is going to fall in the direction that he forces it to go. Whether he be an arborist, a logger, or a line clearance specialist, the felling cut and the physics involved don't change according to the pedigree of the guy holding the saw.

When I jumped in and posted, the whole controversy raised a bunch of folks understanding of head leaners and the use of the coos bay to take them down. I'd say the forum benefitted from the conversation.

BTW: you are right about removing the compression wood. I can't tell you how many times I have repeated that information in other threads on cutting down leaners and I have had folks tell me I was wrong, stupid, dangerous, etc. In the final analysis, everybody cuts their trees how they like, whether well informed or through ignorance. Some of them even survive, despite their ignorance.

 

[pdqdl]

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Anyway- There is compression wood and there is holding wood. As much compression wood as can be removed the better. The compression causes the chair.

I have been thinking about writing up a document, complete with pictures and explanations, that covers how the different types of cut are intended to manage leaners and barber-chair. There are lots of "how to" documents, but none of them ever go into the physics of why the split occurs and how the various cut work to manage the problem. I have never found one that does an adequate job.

Do you think there would be any interest on the logging forum? I imagine that if it had my name on it, it would be roundly rejected just because I own some lawnmowers.

I know it would fit well in arb 101.

 

[northmanlogging]

well... despite all the urinary pressure testing... I personally have never used the coos bay cut not one i think about... usually close enough to the truck and rigging to grab a wrapper anyway. that aside from my vastly underrated experience most the chairing I have seen didn't involve any kind of face cut just some monkey cutting from the back side thinking that the lean alone would be enough to send er where it wanted to go, on little trees it "can" be done ON LITTLE TREES, like under 20' and less than 3" dia. however to me it seems wiser to relieve the pressure by making some kind of face cut even if its just a little one. But since most of what the P.N.W. crowd is cutting is over 12" and very tall, it pays to be exter cautious. And then still run like hell before it comes for you.
"Trees fight back" (Ken Kessey sometimes a great notion)

 

[Gologit]

No matter why a fellow walks up to a tree, that tree is going to fall in the direction that he forces it to go.

Oh?

 

[flushcut]

Can't you just feel the love in this thread :msp_wub:. Oh well.

 

[northmanlogging]

Oh?

um errr... the tree don't care to be forced, the tree don't like you, the tree wants to hurt you as much as you want to hurt it... poopy happens...

 

[Sport Faller]

Oh?

Sure as hell, its true. If I give the tree THIS face while holding a small white rabbit it'll go straight up in the damn air if I want it to

 

[northmanlogging]

Sew Eye knead two start carrying a small furry animal and then every thing wheel go as planed!!! Sweet

 

[northmanlogging]

Sew Eye knead two start carrying a small furry animal and every thing wheel go as planned!!! SWEET!!!

 

[Sport Faller]

Sew Eye knead two start carrying a small furry animal and then every thing wheel go as planed!!! Sweet

extra points if you get it a tiny tin hat, a little can of snoose, and train it to ride on your shoulder like a pirate

 

[northmanlogging]

knaw eye was just gonna stuff him in the wedge pouch after all I won't need wedges then or a tin hat!!!

 

[Gologit]

extra points if you get it a tiny tin hat, a little can of snoose, and train it to ride on your shoulder like a pirate

Don't forget the tiny suspenders and some little calks...four of them.

 

[slowp]

Dear PDL...

I'll explain. I am not, and have never been a faller. I've been a thinner and tree sanitizer (I almost typed sodomizer--but that's another story).

In this part of the country. fallers go into the unit and get to cutting. The equipment is working somewhere else. You can't afford to have equipment sitting around and waiting anymore. Since the invention of feller bunchers, which don't bunch fellers, fallers work on ground too steep for the machines.

Fallers around here do not carry rope either, nor do they climb. They have wedges, axe, saw, and brains.
There is always a hard leaner or something just doesn't go right tree that will mess up the lay. Fallers fall trees (or should) "directionally" so the yarding crew can efficiently yard the trees up to the landing. Efficiently means fast and well done without beating up any leave trees if the unit is not a clearcut.

There will always be a tree that can't be felled in the preferred direction. This gives the rigging crew something to discuss. It also makes everything that occurs beyond that tree the fault of the @#$% cutters. Cutters is the term used by the rigging crews in this area for fallers.

Now Jake, this is where facial expressions come in. When I used to go walk down and see scarred up trees, and figured it WASN'T the fault of the @#$% cutters, I'd go watch the rigging crew work and give them the stinkeye. :msp_angry: The damage went down.

However, there were times when the @#$% cutters did mess things up. I couldn't give them the stinkeye because they were gone. :msp_sad:

That's my observation from my years as a @#$% forester.:msp_smile:

I've tried to use proper emoticons so no feelings are hurt.

 

[Sport Faller]

Don't forget the tiny suspenders and some little calks...four of them.

Hot Damn, with 2 pair of calks I bet you could just hook a little Spencer tape on him and having mark the tree out while it's still standing "hya there Jackie, climb up there, I bet we can get 3 32's outta this one"

 

[slowp]

Hot Damn, with 2 pair of calks I bet you could just hook a little Spencer tape on him and having mark the tree out while it's still standing "hya there Jackie, climb up there, I bet we can get 3 32's outta this one"

Shhhhhh. Some Forest Service type will see this thread and will put "Bunny Assist Required" in the contract. On the Sale Area Map it will be BAR and that might could confuse some loggers as to what is out there in the woods.

 

[Sport Faller]

Shhhhhh. Some Forest Service type will see this thread and will put "Bunny Assist Required" in the contract. On the Sale Area Map it will be BAR and that might could confuse some loggers as to what is out there in the woods.

A bunch of guys wandering around with their noses to the ground like a bunch of bloodhounds hahahaha