I probably won't either. Not unless they provide a price break for multiples. Sometimes you have to play with pricing to find your target market and it's not always the lowest price that stimulates the most buying. If I were building these for sale I'd have to play with pricing as well to find the sweet spot for sales, too cheap "it can't be any good", too expensive "I'm not paying that".
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They offer a $20 price break each for 6 or more. Not enough for me.
They're just following smart business practices. Demand has gone up so they've raised their prices to test the market. If demand drops, then look for them to drop their prices. Prebuilt 066's are all over aliexpress at 400 a pop so I wouldn't expect any more price increases.
barton174
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Oh, absolutely! It's just more than what I want to gamble with, now. It was borderline, before.
Mike
It's still $50 more per saw for me with shipping if I buy 6. I enjoyed building
a clean, new, saw but I think I will go back to finding dirty broken saws for my addiction.
a clean, new, saw but I think I will go back to finding dirty broken saws for my addiction.
Believe it or not they will not gauge those kit prices on those silver box prices.
So it was not a target increase because of increased costs of missing parts on one model but increasing the price across the board.
Missing parts poor customer service it will take a while but their sales will erode. These are aftermarket parts where the deal was sweet and people were gonna bite the bullet and sing praise. I think they shot themselves in the foot. Exuberance was the mistake. Not a good enough product, too many inconveniences to sustain it.
So it was not a target increase because of increased costs of missing parts on one model but increasing the price across the board.
Missing parts poor customer service it will take a while but their sales will erode. These are aftermarket parts where the deal was sweet and people were gonna bite the bullet and sing praise. I think they shot themselves in the foot. Exuberance was the mistake. Not a good enough product, too many inconveniences to sustain it.
BTarb24
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I dunno, the increased price still seems like a great deal to me. It's a challenge to find a decent used 660/066 for less than $600. $286 for the knockoff doesn't sound bad at all. It really is rather eye-opening to see that they're able to turn a profit when they were only charging $150 for the entire saw.
Personally, i hope all these knockoffs start to lower the price on the authentics. When you look at the parts, there really isn't that much difference between a 50cc stihl and the 100cc ones. The parts are just a bit bigger and some other minor things changed. Certainly not enough to justify an extra $800 added to the market price. With more people buying these knockoffs it may make enough impact in their demand to lower their high end prices.
Personally, i hope all these knockoffs start to lower the price on the authentics. When you look at the parts, there really isn't that much difference between a 50cc stihl and the 100cc ones. The parts are just a bit bigger and some other minor things changed. Certainly not enough to justify an extra $800 added to the market price. With more people buying these knockoffs it may make enough impact in their demand to lower their high end prices.
There is much more to this than the cost increase.
Supporting poor customer service by blowing them money kisses does not happen in many situations in our economy
Supporting poor customer service by blowing them money kisses does not happen in many situations in our economy
BTarb24
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In fairness, you're not paying for customer service. You're paying for the lowest possible price around. If you wanted quality service and quick turnaround then you'd hand over the remaining $800 and buy it from stihl.
I don't know the exact numbers but I'd be shocked if there was actually much more that $60.00 mfg cost difference between Stihl's cheapest pro saw and their most expensive pro saw.
Here are photos of the corroded 372 case if anyone is interested. I hope they make it good.
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Really this kit needed a good piston and cylinder. I've held back so everyone can build it their way. Ive run about 5 gallons thru it. Most running it at
12,800 rpms and some at 13,300. The cylinder is not all that round or square. There's uneven wear all the way around. It not scoring just uneven wear. So I spent $100 extra for a NWP cylinder kit and caber rings. It came in today and it looks way better. And Compression was lower than I liked at 140. Running 32:1. To make this saw good and reliable saw for years like a pro "aluminum" saw should.
It's not magnesium That's a big price. It has to have a good P&C the heart of the saw. The bottom end looks good so if their going to up the price they have to do a little better. It was cheap enough to put $100 extra on it.
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12,800 rpms and some at 13,300. The cylinder is not all that round or square. There's uneven wear all the way around. It not scoring just uneven wear. So I spent $100 extra for a NWP cylinder kit and caber rings. It came in today and it looks way better. And Compression was lower than I liked at 140. Running 32:1. To make this saw good and reliable saw for years like a pro "aluminum" saw should.
It's not magnesium That's a big price. It has to have a good P&C the heart of the saw. The bottom end looks good so if their going to up the price they have to do a little better. It was cheap enough to put $100 extra on it.
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I can tell you that a stihl piston will get rejected and recycled if it's out of round by 4 microns. And the machine that test it sits on a huge slab of granite to keep the harmonics down. And that's even on the $129 weedeater
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I didn't as I just tore it down but I have thought about checking it at the bottom, middle, and top for any differences. And might do the piston too. Then I thought how round can a piston, cylinder, rings, pin, and bearing be for $30. I did check piston to wall clearance at .007
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Yep, price to produce certainly plays a huge part in precision. I think I noted early on that the tooling used to machine the sparkplug hole looked to be either duller than it should or the feed rate was too high because it was right at the edge of galling the cylinder. No doubt there are corners being cut. I might take a piston as a throwaway and chuck it up in the lathe to measure run out, but it won't be this weekend...
Loss leaders are a common business tactic. Heck Honda has used that strategy several times to buy market share in the US market, I know others have as well.
