Scrounging Firewood (and other stuff)

[Kodiak Kid]

Maybe it's STIHL'S answer to Husky's X-chain? Heck, I don't know?

 

[sean donato]

Not I! My chains pull wood and throw waste just fine Big Sean D!

But but but they can be better, just ask stihl!

 

[Squareground3691]

C83X-cut , I think is the best outta the box chain, without touching it up beforehand there is right now .

 

[sean donato]

Maybe it's STIHL'S answer to Husky's X-chain? Heck, I don't know?

The X cut is square ground, nothing really fancy. I will say for a stock grind it's fast and smooth compared to the Oregon square I've used. (Most of which ive converted back to round ground.) My hand square skills arnt the best, so it takes me forever to get one sharpened. That and I get some pretty dirty wood at times, take the corner right off the square grind if I'm unlucky.

 

[Kodiak Kid]

It's worth a try, supposedly easier to sharpen then square in the woods. Figured I've spent more on dumber things may as well try one out. Guess I'll have to run across town and see if the good dealer can get it. The close dealer would want me to buy an entire pack of files or say they can't get it.

Call Madsen's! They might be selling it now.

 

[The Shooters Apprentice]

hi kid -

let me explain! it's like this.... Loctite Blue is not just a one time application. and it is not hard setting. as a resident locker on the threads it is merely a stabilizer. so the nuts stay on and don't come off on their own. saw wrench and nbd. actually, well... imo if u ever considered using such... drop or two... you probably would still have the original bottle near on almost still totally full!

I’m just not seeing the need for it. I’ve never once lost a bar but from vibration. As a matter of fact, I don’t think I’ve ever lost one

 

[The Shooters Apprentice]

What I think we have here is a couple fellas that may just tighten to a different torque. After. Seeing multiple studs pulled through a case it can make a fella leery of overtightened nuts. On the flip side tight enough they don't come loose is good too.
Like every thing else I reckon.... Finding the balance

In the shop I run my nutson and off with a Milwaukee 3/8 compact impact wrench. Haven’t managed to pull a stud through a case yet.

 

[Kodiak Kid]

C83X-cut , I think is the best outta the box chain, without touching it up beforehand there is right now .

The X cut is square ground, nothing really fancy. I will say for a stock grind it's fast and smooth compared to the Oregon square I've used. (Most of which ive converted back to round ground.) My hand square skills arnt the best, so it takes me forever to get one sharpened. That and I get some pretty dirty wood at times, take the corner right off the square grind if I'm unlucky.

I buy STIHL factory square grind by the 100' spool. When I need a loop. I spin one up. Then throw it on the grinder to change angles right from the start. Unless I'm in a hurry? Very seldom do I run a factory tune.

 

[The Shooters Apprentice]

The X cut is square ground, nothing really fancy. I will say for a stock grind it's fast and smooth compared to the Oregon square I've used. (Most of which ive converted back to round ground.) My hand square skills arnt the best, so it takes me forever to get one sharpened. That and I get some pretty dirty wood at times, take the corner right off the square grind if I'm unlucky.

I have several xcut chains that are all round ground

 

[The Shooters Apprentice]

I buy STIHL factory square grind by the 100' spool. When I need a loop. I spin one up. Then throw it on the grinder to change angles right from the start. Unless I'm in a hurry? Very seldom do I run a factory tune.

Heck, I even grind factory round ground chsin, I don’t care who’s it is and can always make it sharper then out of the box.

 

[Kodiak Kid]

But but but they can be better, just ask stihl!

Roger that. This is one of those circumstances I'm going say "what we're you thinking over there at STIHL fellas?"

 

[Squareground3691]

I buy STIHL factory square grind by the 100' spool. When I need a loop. I spin one up. Then throw it on the grinder to change angles right from the start. Unless I'm in a hurry? Very seldom do I run a factory tune.

Yup , never seen a really good square, outta the box chain.

 

[The Shooters Apprentice]

10%!!!
Interesting. Im trying to run through
my head how a cutter with three angels and a sharpened gullet can remove more wood than a cutter with two angles and no gullet at all.
What about precision grinding, or is it only possible to hand file with a file that only the saw chain manufacturer offers exclusively at a very high premium cost?
I don't know guys? Sounds like STIHL benefits more then the consumer on this one!
I'm willing to bet that chain doesn't stay in production and on the shelves very long at all before consumers realize what's up! I'll give it five, maybe six years tops before it's discontinued.

If it’s easy to sharpen, it may sell well. Most people can’t even file round ground chain, and those little guides they offer don’t make a properly filed chain so not really all that sharp.

I think that’s the gimmick. Supposed to be easy to sharpen.

 

[Kodiak Kid]

Heck, I even grind factory round ground chsin, I don’t care who’s it is and can always make it sharper then out of the box.

Grinding round is fir suckers and fools that know no better. When I think grinder? I think square tune and that's all I think. There is no other way to grind!

 

[The Shooters Apprentice]

Yeah, but how do you dress it? With a hand held stone dresser? You WILL NOT be able to keep your angles on the stone consistent with a dresser you hold in your hand! Your dressers must me mounted stationary and firm to the grinder itself.
Not trying to steer anyone away from it. I'm actually curious about the chain!
I'm just not going to fork out the money to test one out until I hear the reviews from those of you that did!

Seems like a CBN wheel would be the only way to go here.

 

[Kodiak Kid]

If it’s easy to sharpen, it may sell well. Most people can’t even file round ground chain, and those little guides they offer don’t make a properly filed chain so not really all that sharp.

I think that’s the gimmick. Supposed to be easy to sharpen.

Exactly, but anyone who knows better should be able to tell just be looking at the cutter. That it is going to be more difficult to tune by hand than round filing!

 

[farmer steve]

Grinding round is fir suckers and fools that know no better. When I think grinder? I think square tune and that's all I think. There is no other way to grind!

Us old farmer suckas can stihl make some chips with them round files.

 

[The Shooters Apprentice]

Grinding round is fir suckers and fools that know no better. When I think grinder? I think square tune and that's all I think. There is no other way to grind!

I feel attacked as I have 2 round grinders, although I’ve modified them and they produce a much sharper chain then factory.

Generally if the chain is on the saw I’ll hand file if I have time, but generally when I’m cutting I’m cutting and I ain’t got to stinking time to file a chain, much much faster to just throw on a fresh loop if I mess one up.

And then I’m not gonna throw it back in the saw to sharpen it. Hit it was the grinder in 2 mins and then back in the pack for next time.

Some times during the summer I won’t Sharpen a chain at all, just throw the dull ones in a pile and then grind them as I have time over the winter.

 

[The Shooters Apprentice]

Exactly, but anyone who knows better should be able to tell just be looking at the cutter. That it is going to be more difficult to tune by hand than round filing!

My understanding is that the bottom of the pile is flat so it just rises the gullet so it’s basically automatically height controlled, so really should be pretty easy to “file” the chain

 

[sean donato]

Us old farmer suckas can stihl make some chips with them round files.
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Tell him Steve.... we don't all get to cut soft wood...