hill
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Turns out the spark plug is fine, so I guess I'm off to the carb. screw. I can get about as far as taking the screws off to get inside the saw.....now what?
Tearing into the little XL this weekend...now what?
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lesorubcheek
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What exactly is wrong with the saw? Forgive me if this was all discussed in another post. These little saws are pretty easy to break down. First, take off the bar/chain. Next, remove the front handle bar, just one bolt at top and one at the bottom. Starter cover has 4 bolts that hold it on. after its off, you can get to the flywheel and ignition. Gas and oil tanks are sitting in front of ya here as well. Sounds like you know about the plastic cover for acces to the carb and air filter, it just prys out. If you wanna take out the engine, remove the plug (which sounds like you've done), and the muffler (1 bolt in the center). Theres 2 bolts on top of the engine housing and 2 below. You'll need to disconnect the ignition switch lead where it connects to the coil (or module) and you're ready to slide out the engine. Just pull (with a little rocking as needed) from the starter side. The gas and oil tanks will be dangling as you start pulling it out, so when you can conveniently reach where the're connected, you can pop them loose. 1 fuel line at the carb and 2 lines connect to the engine housing from the oil tank. You may want to make a quick sketch or better yet take a photo to make sure you remember how it looks going back together.
I probably missed something in this, but that's about it for taking these apart. Again though, please share what's wrong and why you're working on it.
Dan
I probably missed something in this, but that's about it for taking these apart. Again though, please share what's wrong and why you're working on it.
Dan
What are you trying to do?
lesorubcheek
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Ok I guess this is the thread describing your problem. First question is does your XL have an adjustable H jet on the carb or is it fixed? Could be as simple as adjusting the H needle as mentioned in the other thread. If you're not sure, there will be 3 different adjustment screws (L, H, and idle speed) if you have an adjustible H jet, and only 2 screws (L and idle speed) on the carb if its a fixed jet.
Dan
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hill
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problem
Well, in a previous post, I had mentioned that the saw will start on 3-5 pulls but at full throttle it sputters/misses/however you want to put it. I was told either spark plug or carb. screw adjustment. I've never done anything to this saw except remove the bar and chain, so no I don't know about the plastic cover access. I was assuming since it starts so easily that the plug is not the problem? Nice to know you are familiar with this saw. It's perfectly okay if you want to talk to me like I'm an idiot, I will not get offended I assure you. I'm hoping to gain some knowledge about how to work on these Homelites (XL, XL-113). Thanks for the help.
Well, in a previous post, I had mentioned that the saw will start on 3-5 pulls but at full throttle it sputters/misses/however you want to put it. I was told either spark plug or carb. screw adjustment. I've never done anything to this saw except remove the bar and chain, so no I don't know about the plastic cover access. I was assuming since it starts so easily that the plug is not the problem? Nice to know you are familiar with this saw. It's perfectly okay if you want to talk to me like I'm an idiot, I will not get offended I assure you. I'm hoping to gain some knowledge about how to work on these Homelites (XL, XL-113). Thanks for the help.
lesorubcheek
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There's a piece of plastic that covers the air filter and allows access to the carb. Its black and has a slot cut out where the choke lever protrudes through. To remove it, just use a flat bladed screwdriver (or whatever else is handy) to isert between the plastic and the housing at the top and pry it out. Once its removed, you can easitly see your carb and determine if it has an H jet or not.
Dan
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hill
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That I can do!!! I'll check her out this evening and see what I can mess up!! What's the next step....well...first of all do you agree that is more than likely the problem?
That I can do!!! I'll check her out this evening and see what I can mess up!! What's the next step....well...first of all do you agree that is more than likely the problem?
lesorubcheek
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Yep, sounds like it to me. blsnelling's first reply in you other thread would be my first guess as well. Here's a link you may find useful. Its an IPL that'll show the parts breakdown for an XL. A truly great man has set up a site with tons of IPLs for different saws. XLs went through several changes during their life with earlier ones being magnesium to later ones being plastic and with various changes throughout. Many of the parts were the same, but if you start getting specific, everyone will need to know exactly what you have to give a good answer.
Dan
Dan
Did you even try the suggestions in your other thread? Trying to figure out why you started a new thread for the same question?
hill
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thanks
Awesome, thanks a lot for the assistance and the link/advice.
Awesome, thanks a lot for the assistance and the link/advice.
hill
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Yes, I made sure the spark plug was not the problem. To be quite honest, in this thread I am looking for how to tear apart my saw, which lesorubcheek has been graciosly helping me with. In any event, I am terribly sorry for making you view a thread that you thought was repetitive.....as if there aren't any of those on this site!! LOL (sharpening, grinder, oil, etc, etc, etc). Please forgive me 
Yeah I've been into my XL several times, if you do need to take the engine assembly out of the cases I know on mine you have to take out the bar adjuster screw to get the engine out (spent 30 mins trying to figure out why the blasted thing wouldn't come out the first time i did it) but i dont know if thats the case with all models because as others have said there have been many variations in design. But if its just a jetting problem you shouldnt need to remove it from the cases at all, just the little black cover as been alreadu mentioned. Good luck
You're forgiven It's just prevents the disconnect like we had at the beginning of the thread.
It's just prevents the disconnect like we had at the beginning of the thread.
lesorubcheek
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Yep, I knew I forgot to mention something! That little sucker can get in the way.
Dan
hill
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I tried
2 adjustment screws is all I found. I tried a few adjustments on her and it still didn't fix the sputtering. I don't know if I mentioned this last time or not, but she also smokes quite a bit. Does this offer any more options? Thanks for the help guys. P.S. Though the spark plug looks good and it starts relatively easily, could that still be the problem?
2 adjustment screws is all I found. I tried a few adjustments on her and it still didn't fix the sputtering. I don't know if I mentioned this last time or not, but she also smokes quite a bit. Does this offer any more options? Thanks for the help guys. P.S. Though the spark plug looks good and it starts relatively easily, could that still be the problem?
blackoak
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If it's smoking alot, one question, is your oiler working?
hill
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oil
Well, I did notice some oil leaking around the muffler, so I took it off and cleaned in and around it. There was a bit of "standing" oil in the muffler housing. Now we are really getting into unknown territory for me. What does this tell you I'm scared to ask?
Well, I did notice some oil leaking around the muffler, so I took it off and cleaned in and around it. There was a bit of "standing" oil in the muffler housing. Now we are really getting into unknown territory for me. What does this tell you I'm scared to ask?
lesorubcheek
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Ok, so 2 adjustment screws total means idle speed and a low speed jet only. No H to adjust, so this won't be an option. Lots of smoke is a big clue because these saws very often lose their duck-bill valve in the oil tank and this causes bar oil to be sucked into the engine. Next step I'd take is to remove the oil cap and look inside where the upper line enters the plastic tank. There should be a small metal tube on the end with a rubber lipped valve stuck onto this. Please tell us what you see.
Dan
Dan
hill
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confused
Okay, I only saw 2 screws, but there was an "H" marked on the carb body itself, so that is the screw I adjusted. Did I overlook a screw? I have no idea, I guess I'll go check it out again and look at the oil cap as well. I'll take some darn pictures too, that way you can see what I see instead of me confusing you!!
Okay, I only saw 2 screws, but there was an "H" marked on the carb body itself, so that is the screw I adjusted. Did I overlook a screw? I have no idea, I guess I'll go check it out again and look at the oil cap as well. I'll take some darn pictures too, that way you can see what I see instead of me confusing you!!
lesorubcheek
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Pictures would definitely make things easier. I'm assuming you see 2 screws total. One would be larger than the other. The idle speed screw (bigger one) will actually cause the arm on the carb's throttle to move as you turn it in. The other would simply screw into the housing of the carb. Most of these carbs have the letters H and L cast into them even if they have the H screw blocked off. No carb will have an H and not have an L screw. Many of these carbs have an L screw but no H scew. If yours has an H and an L, the H and L will be very close together and the idle speed screw( bigger) will be offset. This is the best I can think to describe it in words. Again, a pic will help alot! If you're seeing lots of smoke, this is very indicative on these saws of the bar lube oil being sucked into the engine. Try a search for "XL oiler" or "Super 2 oiler" as there's been previous threads discussing this issue.
Dan
Dan
