i'm trying to get a truck that will be under cdl limit, but still have a 14' box. arbortech says it can't be done, but i know that the gmc 4500 chassis will carry one. anyone have a rig under 26k gvwr with a good 14' chipper box?
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extraspecialman
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not sure of the laws in Va,but here in WV,you could run up to a F 550 with no CDL,and that would be hauling up 7 ton.All we need here is a class B if you are hauling commercial without airbrakes.All the class B license requires is a physical.
i have an f550 now with 12' box. I think it's underpowered and like the gmc topkick 4500. i can get it with a chassis long enough for a 14' body, but nobody seems to want to put one on it. are there any shops that you know of that do chipper boxes for medium/light duty trucks?
extraspecialman
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not sure about chipper beds,but there is a place in Odd,Kentucky that does alot of custom frame and bed work.Ill try to find ya a name ,Ill let ya know when I find it
ASD
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I think what arbortech is trying to say is that a 14' box on a non cdl truck will be over weight when full of chips. Chip are about 500 lb. per yard ! but we run 14' debris boxs on an f650 that is a 26k rig.
juststumps
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CLASS B is a CDL.... truck GVW over 26K, trailer less than 10K
CLASS A is a truck GVW over 26K, trailer over 10K
truck under 26,000 lbs is a class nothing !!!! regular drivers licence...
air brakes are an endorsement,, meaning if you have a CDL, and want to drive a truck over 26K, with air brakes,,, you need to have took the air brake test,, and have the endorsement on your licence.. same goes if you were running a, school bus, passenger bus,, hazmat, double - triple trailers..all tests and endorsements..
i think your getting CMV (commercial motor vehicle) confused with CDL ( commercial drivers license)
US DOT reg is,, if you operate a CMV over 10,000 LBS,, you need a medical card
if you operate a CMV over 26,000 LBS, you need a medical card and a CDL license...
does any one ever get checked for medical cards ???? i don't know.... a lady drove into the side of my 33K air brake bucket truck last year, and the cops never asked to see it....i imagine if there was a serious injury or death involved ,they would ask... and if you didn't have it,, the Sh#* would hit the fan !!! the lawyers would have a field day!!! just what i know JS
juststumps
ArboristSite Guru
do say,, how do you know that ????? is it becuase you saw the same truck with a 14 ft chip box,, or you saw a truck with a 14 ft bed....
ASD is right,, no builder is going to build a un safe rig... either truck up, if you need the box.. or box down, and make 2 trips to dump...
ropensaddle
Feel Lucky
Ok here it is 26001 and over requires cdl and goes by gvw. So if you are in a 26000 gvw and are loaded to 26005 don't matter on license but you may get overload ticket! The medical card is supposed to be with you and If your cdl as I am and cross scales they may check you may not! Regular police no, dot yes but I just wander what the fine would be if ya had it but forgot it at home like I am guilty of? I actually print out copies to put in my trucks so it is there.
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ropensaddle
Feel Lucky
Another related note if you are licensed for more than one state
and have to have DOT numbers on your door you must keep log book!You only get 14 hours with 11 driving have to log stops as on duty not driving, and when you get to 70 hours of duty, not driving, but duty, you are down for 34. Also you have to put miles driven per day, hours driving, hours on duty not driving, and keep in mind that you better not have an average speed exceeding 65 mph or you get a big fat speeding ticket! Better make sure it starts with 15 minute pre-trip because if you hit the scale faster than you should speeding ticket. Fuel 4+ per gallon hours spent keeping log book straight, freight price not enough!
and have to have DOT numbers on your door you must keep log book!You only get 14 hours with 11 driving have to log stops as on duty not driving, and when you get to 70 hours of duty, not driving, but duty, you are down for 34. Also you have to put miles driven per day, hours driving, hours on duty not driving, and keep in mind that you better not have an average speed exceeding 65 mph or you get a big fat speeding ticket! Better make sure it starts with 15 minute pre-trip because if you hit the scale faster than you should speeding ticket. Fuel 4+ per gallon hours spent keeping log book straight, freight price not enough!
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Log books
Log books are not required for drivers that return to the same base every day, and do not sleep in their trucks. I have never been asked for a log book locally, since I quit over the road many years ago.
Kansas City has a bunch of DOT inspection goons, and they are total pricks. They check everything, and won't quit looking until they can write you a ticket. That includes medical cards, whether your fire extinguisher is currently certified, whether you have spare fuses, etc. Things they may have passed in previous inspections become much more important if they can't find anything else to write a ticket for.
No mercy, every time they turn on the lights, it's going to cost you $200 for a defective vehicle. They like to hang out so much on my end of town, that we routinely send someone out in a private vehicle to scout the area before we leave the shop. Each inspection takes about 45 minutes, and they don't care how many men you have in the truck.
To their credit, I am becoming quite the expert on DOT regulations. Some of you guys need to read up on the regulations again. I won't argue with anyone about what the rules are, they may vary from state to state. You should get the necessary books and read them.
A heads up: a CDL license is required for any truck with a gross vehicle rating of 26k, regardless of how much it actually weighs. If you are towing an empty 10,000 gvwr trailer with your pickup, you had better get a class A. ALSO: if you are using your class B truck just to tow the fishing boat home from the lake, you have converted it into a combination vehicle: class A license required. Curiously, implements like chippers, stump grinders, or tow-behind air compressors do not make a "combination", mostly because they are not licensed as trailers.
If you are driving a non-cdl vehicle, including your own personal car for hire, you are required to have (in Missouri) a class E license, formerly called a "chauffer's license". Even the pizza delivery kid is supposed to have a class E, they just enforce that law only when they feel like it.
Log books are not required for drivers that return to the same base every day, and do not sleep in their trucks. I have never been asked for a log book locally, since I quit over the road many years ago.
Kansas City has a bunch of DOT inspection goons, and they are total pricks. They check everything, and won't quit looking until they can write you a ticket. That includes medical cards, whether your fire extinguisher is currently certified, whether you have spare fuses, etc. Things they may have passed in previous inspections become much more important if they can't find anything else to write a ticket for.
No mercy, every time they turn on the lights, it's going to cost you $200 for a defective vehicle. They like to hang out so much on my end of town, that we routinely send someone out in a private vehicle to scout the area before we leave the shop. Each inspection takes about 45 minutes, and they don't care how many men you have in the truck.
To their credit, I am becoming quite the expert on DOT regulations. Some of you guys need to read up on the regulations again. I won't argue with anyone about what the rules are, they may vary from state to state. You should get the necessary books and read them.
A heads up: a CDL license is required for any truck with a gross vehicle rating of 26k, regardless of how much it actually weighs. If you are towing an empty 10,000 gvwr trailer with your pickup, you had better get a class A. ALSO: if you are using your class B truck just to tow the fishing boat home from the lake, you have converted it into a combination vehicle: class A license required. Curiously, implements like chippers, stump grinders, or tow-behind air compressors do not make a "combination", mostly because they are not licensed as trailers.
If you are driving a non-cdl vehicle, including your own personal car for hire, you are required to have (in Missouri) a class E license, formerly called a "chauffer's license". Even the pizza delivery kid is supposed to have a class E, they just enforce that law only when they feel like it.
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ropensaddle
Feel Lucky
I will repeat if you are tagged in more than one state and have DOT #
on your doors you are supposed to log. Will they fine you prolly not.
I thought about helping out in the ice storms in Tulsa it would cost
1000.00 more in insurance and would have to get DOT numbers keep
log books and 600.00 for authority to travel out of state! Also
huge deterrent is; once you do that you have to let them on
your property to inspect your truck and your log book! I don't want some underpaid, overpowered, big ego authority around
my farm and going through my trucks.
on your doors you are supposed to log. Will they fine you prolly not.
I thought about helping out in the ice storms in Tulsa it would cost
1000.00 more in insurance and would have to get DOT numbers keep
log books and 600.00 for authority to travel out of state! Also
huge deterrent is; once you do that you have to let them on
your property to inspect your truck and your log book! I don't want some underpaid, overpowered, big ego authority around
my farm and going through my trucks.
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Arkansas may have a different opinion, but locally owned AND operated vehicles are not required to keep log books. You don't even have to be licensed in more than one state to need a DOT number; it is enough to cross state line ONCE per year. I know, because my shop is about one mile from Kansas, and we are obliged to have a DOT number. I dodged that bullet for a number of years, but they ended up telling me that EVERYONE with a CDL truck is required to get a DOT number, whether or not they cross state line. We used to tell them that we never went to Kansas, as we were always pulled over in Mo. You may wish to read up on that.
And YES, DOT can come to your office and crawl up your Ash with a microscope. They hit me last year with a $2000 fine for not drug testing a CDL driver BEFORE I hired him. Wanted to know how many times each of my trucks crossed state line. Had to show daily inspection forms, pre- and post-trip. Had to have an approved, scientifically random drug testing program. On and on it went. No mention whatsoever of log books, although they did want to see my records of hours of service for each CDL employee, including myself [Violation! I wasn't punching a time card, even though I the employer.] Furthermore, I point blank asked the DOT agent, and he stated that we were not required to log. Log books are not required just because you have a DOT number, they are required when the employer cannot otherwise verify or control the hours of operations of the vehicle. If you were to take a CDL truck out of state, or even out of your local operation, you could be held to log book rules whether or not you had a DOT number.
ropensaddle
Feel Lucky
Well it may be, funny thing is; you can call them ask a question,
wait a day, call again same question different answer!
wait a day, call again same question different answer!
When I was invaded by MoDOT, they were worried about having all the paperwork done right. The agent that came to my office was pleasant, helpful, patient, explained all the rules, and seemed to be trying to help me stay in compliance. He never even opened the door and looked outside at the trucks. He also said that it was not his job to generate fines, and that we would probably not get any fines.
Then he filed his report with the Federal DOT, and they had a regular party celebrating all the fines. MoDOT inspects, the Feds do the fines.
ropensaddle
Feel Lucky
More and more communist everyday when will it stop?
No doubt about that. I can't tell you how many times I called the Highway Patrol to get an answer about this stuff. I can't remember the name of the book, but there is a Federal DOT book with ALL the rules in it. I go there to get my answers.
Yes, it is just as confusing and difficult to figure out as you might imagine a government publication would be.
If you want, I'll post the name of the document and where to get it. [later, I'm at home right now]
ropensaddle
Feel Lucky
I have it just have not studied it thorough!
beowulf343
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Just get your cdl. Handy to have.
md_tree_dood
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People keep talking about log books and their may be some confusion.
The first "log book" that someone mentioned and discussed the 70 on 34 off is done on a basis of distance from your shop. You will be red tagged if you don't have this and you're more than 100 miles (something like that) from your shop.
The other "log book" is needed for everyday driving and it states your day, starting locale, work locale, highways used, and miles driven. You also need a post trip inspection book filled out correctly.
These are all DOT things, they aren't up for debate. Same as CDL rules. The CDL is national, which means that all standards, no matter what your state are the same, if YOU think they are different you need to go get the information before you KNOW they are different.
On a side note, you can have a CDL class B and not have the air brake endorsment, but then you'll have a restricted B, just like getting a class A without 5th wheel means you'll get a restricted A.
The first "log book" that someone mentioned and discussed the 70 on 34 off is done on a basis of distance from your shop. You will be red tagged if you don't have this and you're more than 100 miles (something like that) from your shop.
The other "log book" is needed for everyday driving and it states your day, starting locale, work locale, highways used, and miles driven. You also need a post trip inspection book filled out correctly.
These are all DOT things, they aren't up for debate. Same as CDL rules. The CDL is national, which means that all standards, no matter what your state are the same, if YOU think they are different you need to go get the information before you KNOW they are different.
On a side note, you can have a CDL class B and not have the air brake endorsment, but then you'll have a restricted B, just like getting a class A without 5th wheel means you'll get a restricted A.
extraspecialman
ArboristSite Operative
the medical card is to be carried in ANY commercial vehicle here.Even a Ford Ranger that is used for delivery ,the driver must have a medical card.Anything with airbrakes must have CDL.Put airbrakes on a Volkswagon Bug,get a CDL,no matter what the GVWR.
