Help with couple of pioneer oldies

[/IMG][/IMG][/IMG] Just picked up these two pioneer's. The first is a NU-17. What is the difference between it and the 450? The farmer I got them from said that it ran awhile back. Has good spark, but only 90LBS compression. The recoil is a little sticky so it is hard to get consistent pulls(have to take my time and feed the rope back in). Hoping when I get the recoil cleaned out it "might" come up a touch. Anything I need to know before I start into it?? Anyone have an IPL?
The second saw will have to be a winter project. I think it is a 600...? That's my best guess from the pics on Mike Acres site. Alto pioneer 600 is not embossed on the filter cover. I have all the side recoil parts and cover, I think. An IPL or some advice would help.
Thanks all
Drew

Sorry, here's the other one

crane said:

[/IMG][/IMG]Sorry, here's the other one

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It looks like a Pioneer model RA from the pict you have posted.
Pioneerguy600

pioneerguy600 said:

It looks like a Pioneer model RA from the pict you have posted.
Pioneerguy600

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Does acres have specs on that? Parts hard to come by?

I should have taken the time to give it a polish before I posted. There is no tag that I can find on it anywhere.

crane said:

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Just picked up these two pioneer's. The first is a NU-17. What is the difference between it and the 450? The farmer I got them from said that it ran awhile back. Has good spark, but only 90LBS compression. The recoil is a little sticky so it is hard to get consistent pulls(have to take my time and feed the rope back in). Hoping when I get the recoil cleaned out it "might" come up a touch. Anything I need to know before I start into it?? Anyone have an IPL?
The second saw will have to be a winter project. I think it is a 600...? That's my best guess from the pics on Mike Acres site. Alto pioneer 600 is not embossed on the filter cover. I have all the side recoil parts and cover, I think. An IPL or some advice would help.
Thanks all
Drew

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The difference between the NU17 and the model 450 is the years of manufacture. The NU 17 was made from 1961 until 1964 and the 450 from 1964 to 1968. All the parts interchange, I have rebuilt several of each model.
Pioneerguy600

pioneerguy600 said:

The difference between the NU17 and the model 450 is the years of manufacture. The NU 17 was made from 1961 until 1964 and the 450 from 1964 to 1968. All the parts interchange, I have rebuilt several of each model.
Pioneerguy600

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Why the change from letter designation(NU) to numbers(450)? Also, is 90LBS compression way on the low side? Can I find rings?
Thanks for the imput.

crane said:

Does acres have specs on that? Parts hard to come by?

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Yes, you have to look under IEL saws as the model RA was the last saws that were made by IEL before Pioneer took over production of the saws and the model 600 was the first saw made by Pioneer in Ontario.
Pioneerguy600

Can IPL's be had for either of these saws? I imagine that they have a unique sound when they run. On the top of the NU-17, there looks to be a site glass. What's the purpose?

crane said:

Why the change from letter designation(NU) to numbers(450)? Also, is 90LBS compression way on the low side? Can I find rings?
Thanks for the imput.

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There was a lot of changes going on with IEL and Pioneer and they changed there models every couple of years with some minor improvements in filtration and carburatation and would rebadge the saws accordingly. Yes 90 lbs is low on compression, rings will be difficult to find but not impossible.
Pioneerguy600

crane said:

Can IPL's be had for either of these saws? I imagine that they have a unique sound when they run. On the top of the NU-17, there looks to be a site glass. What's the purpose?

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The glass is to allow the operator to see the gas from the primer pump being pushed through to the carb.
Pioneerguy600

pioneerguy600 said:

There was a lot of changes going on with IEL and Pioneer and they changed there models every couple of years with some minor improvements in filtration and carburatation and would rebadge the saws accordingly. Yes 90 lbs is low on compression, rings will be difficult to find but not impossible.
Pioneerguy600

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well first things first, I'll give it a good look over, see if the cylinder is scored. Happy that I have a good blue spark(even from an old fouled plug).
I thank you for the quick info.
Drew

crane said:

well first things first, I'll give it a good look over, see if the cylinder is scored. Happy that I have a good blue spark(even from an old fouled plug).
I thank you for the quick info.
Drew

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Brendon (propliner ) may have IPL`s for these saws , I only have original service manuals. Best of luck on getting them up and running.
Pioneerguy600

Second saw is an Ra.....Model and serial are stamped on the casting between the bar and the spike assembly.
They are pretty easy to get going....

Alain, www.vintagechainsawcollection.blogspot.com