Assistance needed to identify a tree with diamond pattern bark

[Joz1388]

Hello everyone, I hope you're all doing well. I recently came across a tree that I'm having trouble identifying, and I thought this knowledgeable community might be able to help.

The tree in question has bark with a distinct diamond pattern, which initially led me to think it could be either a black walnut or an ash tree. Upon closer inspection, I noticed nut hulls on the ground that resemble butternut. The wood appears to be darker than photos I've seen of ash but isn't as dark as black walnut. The surrounding area has a variety of trees and bushes, which makes me lean away from the black walnut possibility. Additionally, the soil is sandy and well-drained. Given these observations, my best guess is that it might be an ash tree. I've included a side-by-side comparison photo of the wood in question and a piece of dried black walnut for reference.

If you need more information or additional photos, please let me know and I'll be happy to provide them.

Thank you in advance for your time and expertise!

 

[lone wolf]

Don't the first pic showing the leaves look like Hickory?

 

[lone wolf]

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[Syflan]

I'm no expert on tree id, but I'm with @buzz sawyer . The wood looks like hickory to me.
The one way I am halfway competent at identifying a tree is from the leaves and flowers. The bark doesn't work for me in most cases.

 

[Raintree]

Pignut hickory
Just to edit this with that deep furrowed bark I'm going to change to mockernut.
OK, second edit. I now think that we are looking at two different trees.
First picture is a Pignut, second picture is mockernut.

 

[kyle1!]

That is hickory. Walnut leaves are smaller and not as long.

 

[buzz sawyer]

Don't the first pic showing the leaves look like Hickory?

Well, dang, I looked at the second pic and saw Walnut. First does look like Pignut Hickory. 2nd looks like Walnut to me is it the same tree in both pics? I deleted my first response, obviously wrong.

 

[Mad Professor]

Two types of trees in the pictures.

Leaves on first picture look like a hickory, the 3rd picture a walnut or butternut.

 

[shootrj2003]

The leaves do say hickory on the first pic.to me too.

 

[Raintree]

In the 3rd pic, you'll find mostly 7 leaflets. Black walnut usually will have 9 to 11.
I was out walking in my back woods this evening, took some walnut trunk pictures for comparison. Also butternut leaves tend to be more serrated.

OP's trunk pic...

 

[lone wolf]

To me, the hickory looks more gray and has a diamond pattern. The Walnut is brown.

 

[Joz1388]

Hello everyone, I just wanted to say thank you so much for all the helpful responses I received regarding my tree identification question! Your knowledge and expertise are greatly appreciated.

 

[ATH]

Hickory - one of these 3
Carya glabra = Pignut hickory
Carya ovalis = Red hickory - very similar to Pignut, but with redish rachis and more likely 7 leaflets while Pignut is more likely to have 5
Carya tomentosa = Mockernut hickory - rachis and underside of leaves are fuzzy (tomentose) while the other 2 are smooth (glabrus). Also will tend to have 7 leaflets.

first pic in OP looks to have 7 leaflets. So that seems like it is one of the second 2.

Pic 3 sure does look more like walnut leaves. The small piece of wood in the front of the pic 5 also looks like it could be walnut lumber. The other pieces look like hickory.

 

[nygrappler]

Try the “Picture This” app.

It is usually very accurate when uploading pictures of leaves. It doesn’t seem to be as accurate if using pictures of bark.

It’s free if you just use the basic version.

 

[fields_mj]

I've always heard it called black hickory. Burns like shagbark, but rots faster on the wood pile. My experience is that you need to burn it within about 2 years of dropping the tree, and that assumes you drop it in the winter. If you drop it in the winter and get it bucked and stacked before summer, it can be ready to burn the following season. By the end of the second season, its starting to get soft. At least that's been my experience with it.