blue
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heard a rumor today that the landscaper/tree surgeon in question may be in deep financial poop.just hope it's true :greenchainsaw: to the wonka
Brits talkin about Brit stuff
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mike385
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Hey there,
This has absolutely nothing to do with trees. What the hell is a pikey?
This has absolutely nothing to do with trees. What the hell is a pikey?
Buzzlightyear
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mike385 said:
Uh oh, here we go again......lol
mike385
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if it is that bad you can IM me. lol
mike385
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I know it is weak, but I was watching that movie "snatch". and all the brits kept talking about is how they didn't like the "pikey". That is why I wanted to know.
thanks
mike
thanks
mike
mike385
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Gotcha!! Thanks I did gather that from the movie, but just wanted to be sure.
thanks again
mike
thanks again
mike
teressa green
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i heard that a version of snatch is avaliable in the us with sub titles,is this correct,as for pikeys ,we have hundreds round here ,even employing decent tree surgeons now ,a mate of mine subs to them the pillock ,even has to write the reciept for them ,,,,,it stinks i can tell you ,horrible sods the lot of em ,,,,,,
SteveBullman
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ha, well i too sub for one....rollacoasta in fact, and i can honestly say he is as or more professional than 90% of companies i come across.
gotta be careful about stereotyping every single one of em, even though 9 times out of 10 you'll probably be right
gotta be careful about stereotyping every single one of em, even though 9 times out of 10 you'll probably be right
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Ross Turner said:
not in the library, big man
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ROLLACOSTA
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stephenbullman said:
Also half the London underground [tree's on the above ground lines] are worked/pruned or felled on by Gypsy run sub contract companys..
But yes there are a few rogues in my community,no more than any other ethnic group though ,you guys just here about the bad apples...beleive me there are plenty of hard working, honest,tax paying pikeys out there ..
I often spot lots of them at the big arb shows [saltex apf even caple manor festival of tree] buying serious amounts of kit..
ROLLACOSTA
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I know loads of travellers from yorkshire ,to be honest there Irish most of them and there not a very nice 'vitsa' FAMILY/CLAN
Better watch ourselves pointing fingers nowadays, the tides turning, soon we'll be an ethnic minority group and people will look at us and call us "dirty white trash". Oh, they already do on national TV!! The only time I was worried about "pikies" was when I was working alongside one of their sites and the local council and plod had been routinely raiding them for months. Then we were told not to continue with the work as it was too dangerous without police escort. I chose not to heed their advice as I thought it might inflame the situation. They were more than hospitable, making cups of tea all day and even offering to BUY our saws. I told them we were subbies and it was our own kit and they apologised and left us to it. I can only speak as I find about any group of fellow humans, chav, pikey, black, indian or whatever. I think most people are scared of the unknown, or those who choose to lead a different lifestyle. If I could get away with paying taxes, then I blooming well would.
clearance
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Rollacosta, mainly, I took some tests over the net when I looked up chav. One test said I was 24% chav, but I guessed on questions I didn't get, the other said I was 90% rocker. Chavs seem to match the American term "wigger" in many ways, no offence, just seem to share a lot, tacky, flashy "bling", sullen, bad attittude, ignorant by choice and so on. So glad I am 90% rocker, turn down the suck-turn up the cool! If its to loud -your too old. Party on -cheers.
ROLLACOSTA
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clearance said:
Beleive me your a CHAV,judging by your posts..
Ryan Gossen
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In Texas
Here in Texas we call them Mexicans. Being here illegally to begin with, they are not bound by regulations; safety, tax or otherwise. They form the overwhelming majority of the tree-trimming workforce here, and they work cheap. For a full year, I worked on an otherwise all-Mexican crew. Some of the most talented and hardest working tree-men I know are Mexican, also some careless, ignorant and lazy individuals. The big problem is the effect they have had on the market. I have to compete with someone who shares a one bedroom apartment with three guys on the East side, sends money home, and is willing to risk his life without PPE or any sort of jobsite insurance. This makes the market value of my own life lower. The problem is that working people are all in the same boat. When an arborist in the nation next door is getting screwed, I will get screwed too. This is what happens when corporations organize internationally and workers do not.
I have read allot of posts here in the Brit thread about how debilitating your regulations can be on your work. Be aware, there is a dark side to de-regulation. Cheers,
Here in Texas we call them Mexicans. Being here illegally to begin with, they are not bound by regulations; safety, tax or otherwise. They form the overwhelming majority of the tree-trimming workforce here, and they work cheap. For a full year, I worked on an otherwise all-Mexican crew. Some of the most talented and hardest working tree-men I know are Mexican, also some careless, ignorant and lazy individuals. The big problem is the effect they have had on the market. I have to compete with someone who shares a one bedroom apartment with three guys on the East side, sends money home, and is willing to risk his life without PPE or any sort of jobsite insurance. This makes the market value of my own life lower. The problem is that working people are all in the same boat. When an arborist in the nation next door is getting screwed, I will get screwed too. This is what happens when corporations organize internationally and workers do not.
I have read allot of posts here in the Brit thread about how debilitating your regulations can be on your work. Be aware, there is a dark side to de-regulation. Cheers,
NPTC/CSCS alliance coming?
Just when I thought I could keep my head down and earn a living, I was told yesterday that the Uk's NPTC and the CSCS people are going to amalgamate to push for even stricter safety measures. The chainsaw ticket will soon be re-assessable every 3 years under the new rules. I hope the safety officer was wrong about this but I dont think so. The way he spoke it will apply across the board to any skills certificates. How much is this gonna cost companies? Dont get me wrong, I'm in favour of educating people the safe way to do their trade, but I think its getting a bit too picky now. I think this is going to hit the smaller companies very hard in their pocket, and what with prices constantly being hammered back by those of lower esteem, profit margins (what's one of those) are going to suffer.
Just when I thought I could keep my head down and earn a living, I was told yesterday that the Uk's NPTC and the CSCS people are going to amalgamate to push for even stricter safety measures. The chainsaw ticket will soon be re-assessable every 3 years under the new rules. I hope the safety officer was wrong about this but I dont think so. The way he spoke it will apply across the board to any skills certificates. How much is this gonna cost companies? Dont get me wrong, I'm in favour of educating people the safe way to do their trade, but I think its getting a bit too picky now. I think this is going to hit the smaller companies very hard in their pocket, and what with prices constantly being hammered back by those of lower esteem, profit margins (what's one of those) are going to suffer.
stumpy66
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What does my head in is the fact that these tickets which are not cheap....mean absolutely nothing in the real world.
Is it illegal to employ "untrained" tree cutters to take your domestic tree down?..of course not,
is it possible to buy a chainsaw without a ticket?...of course it is....
once again the only people who benefit finanicially from this are the training companies and the paper pushers, the governments cost go up by trying to implement the new rules.
realistically training tickets are only really asked for by those already in the loop, ie the construction industry and the public sectors. How many smaller tree companies have contracts with those and how many actually make a load of money from them now....to make money you need the through put and that mean you need to be a big company to make the percentage profit work.
The small tree company or non arborists can still get out there and do a job cos they dont care about the training but just want a quick buck.
If the government want a workable system, training has to be affordable and relevent. i don't mind taking any training or retests as long as it is worth my while interlectually or financially. The outlay has to be justified. At the minute tree training in the UK has its head up its ass...like most everything the government has its hands on it gets complicated and ineffective...not to mention expensive both in taxes and direct cost....get shafted both ways.....
But training, education and retests....i like it.....but make the playing field level and affordable.
Thats better.................and relax!!!!
Is it illegal to employ "untrained" tree cutters to take your domestic tree down?..of course not,
is it possible to buy a chainsaw without a ticket?...of course it is....
once again the only people who benefit finanicially from this are the training companies and the paper pushers, the governments cost go up by trying to implement the new rules.
realistically training tickets are only really asked for by those already in the loop, ie the construction industry and the public sectors. How many smaller tree companies have contracts with those and how many actually make a load of money from them now....to make money you need the through put and that mean you need to be a big company to make the percentage profit work.
The small tree company or non arborists can still get out there and do a job cos they dont care about the training but just want a quick buck.
If the government want a workable system, training has to be affordable and relevent. i don't mind taking any training or retests as long as it is worth my while interlectually or financially. The outlay has to be justified. At the minute tree training in the UK has its head up its ass...like most everything the government has its hands on it gets complicated and ineffective...not to mention expensive both in taxes and direct cost....get shafted both ways.....
But training, education and retests....i like it.....but make the playing field level and affordable.
Thats better.................and relax!!!!
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