Meatloaf you used to follow me around at shows and ask question after question about saw builders, chain, porting and everything else. If that isn't asking for help, what is? You are the one that scammed me on a deal. You promised two NEW loops of 1/2" chain and never delivered. We have already established who the liar is here, but if you lie about a race and money that never happened then I guess you can call it a joke and get away with it. The shows you made reference to, You were not at or I wasn't there, so how do you have any validity? I have never shed tears about a chain saw race. It isn't that important to me. I have complained when I thought something was amiss. Again with the show I put on, you were welcome to attend but you can't seem to go it alone. Why is that? Mike