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Just about to go fall a pile of fire wood and have options of dead standing spruce and then pine that is dead from pine beetle the spruce will still be good fire wood in a year from now wondering about the long term usefullness of pine beetle killed trees. Thanks.
 
pine beetle wood is just fine.
you can't hardly find the holes on a bet.

millions of acres of lodgepole killed here. goodthing is you get paid to clear the lot, then get paid to sell the wood.
 
Not big on burning Spruce, it pops sending sparks into the room.

That is the only draw back, other then it dose not heat real well, it has a cheery flame.

Any day of the week, I would rather burn Ponderosia Pine (yellow Pine) beetles or not.

Intersting derail to your thread,,,,,,, catch a Pine Beetle, hold it up to your ear,,, real close, and they will tell you a secret!*

*believe it or not
 
pine species

Do you have Lodgepole Pine in Spirit River?

It is far better than Pondo as a firewood.

These Mtn Pine Beetle outbreaks can be devastating.
Feel good about cleaning it up.
From a fire risk, don't just remove to rounds, cleaning up the limbs/tops is very important.
 
Do you have Lodgepole Pine in Spirit River?

It is far better than Pondo as a firewood.

These Mtn Pine Beetle outbreaks can be devastating.
Feel good about cleaning it up.
From a fire risk, don't just remove to rounds, cleaning up the limbs/tops is very important.

99% of our pine is Jack Pine and most of the stands are beetle infested the seem to doing alot of investigating but have not seen alot of action in our area however we are talking about alot of land in the province that is effected. No one official seems to want to answer the phone for me but we fell a bunch with no bark and burnt the limbs and tops right were they fell. A little difficult but didn't go too bad.
 
The only way to live with the Mountain Pine Beetle is to accept that it is part of the Lodgepole, (Jack - Black Pine), world.
Jack Pine were meant to live fast and die.

In some places, like the higher elevations of Colorado, they can be a 250+ year tree commonly.

Elsewhere, it is often a 90- 120 year cycle, then the beetle comes in again.

To break this cycle:

1) Log it at 80 - 100 years. Look, they're about to croak anyway,
2) If possible in your ecosystem, plant another species that is resistant to the MPB.

Jack Pine succeed by:
1) Being a hardy tree with regard to cold, (it often gets established in thickets and this allows other species to come in under its canopy because of some thermal cover),
2) Tolerating lots of moisture around its roots, (hence its ability to kill meadows for its own needs),
3) Reproduce like a newly formed religion after disturbances, (fire - logging -wars etc).

It has its place. BUT. If you can, cut it back and diversify. Try for a timber stand with 5 different species and not all of those a pine.
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These die offs can take several years to complete.
Think positive, firewood for years.

Lodgepole does not remotely compare to virtually all hardwoods and many other softwoods as a firewood for heat production. But it does work as a Wal-Mart species.

BULK discount.

You can cut a couple cords and load it and deliver in a half day. If allowed to dry it splits easily, (avoid bigger butts and knotty stuff).

Lodgepole possibly splits easier, (when dry - and dead standing trees do dry out well after 1 year standing), than any other wood.

Doesn't produce much ash.

The fire risk the trees dying actually doesn't increase much just after they die.
However, about 5-10 years down the road, as butt rots help topple these trees and that slash is at the ground level and combines with the next generation of LP coming in. That is the perfect storm of fire risk with regard to fuels.

Virtually all of the big fire events you've read about in timber have been followed by a second big fire event when this dead and down combines with new growth between 5 - 25 years later.

Think of most of these as being three events to a cycle.

1) Insect or disease comes in, then those tress drop,
2) First big fire,
3) Second big fire.

If we forget history we do it all again.

Well administered logging, that cleans up the slash too, can intervene and stop these cycles. It's just a good common sense tool.

If you notice some lazy logging efforts nearby, where the limbs and tops are being left scattered. Be very concerned. Those loggers are actually increasing the fire risk under the cover of .................

By all means, take care of any fuel problems caused by dying LP near anything you value. Then again, if you only plan on living four years. No sweat.
 
Ah someone from home! Since you live in the Northern part of the Province and me in the south there is a bit of difference. I was lucky to actually get checked for a fire wood permit. Wile talking to the Ranger, and by the way she was hot! We got around Talking about the big wind storm last November She said good thing it was not in July as it would have blown more pine Beatles over from B.C. The Southern part of the Province has not been hit as hard yet. But it is only a matter of time They have found them near Canmore[Banff Area]They are doing some cutting and controlled burns in those areas. By the way they can do the controlled burns by saying they are done to save human lives rather than they are done to save the Forrest IMO. I do know we also have a big campaign against Dutch elm disease in the City,so far as my arborist friends say it is under control. Plus I get free fire wood out of it!
 

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