Sorry if this sounds smartass... But thats like asking someone to borrow $10, and holding it against them because they didnt hand you a $20. Do you see my reasoning here Andy? I'm not being an ass either, i just dont know of another analogy... At least you're one of the apparent few willing to be honest on here, instead of sharing biasd opinions. If it's a full refund you required to be truly satisfied here, you should have said that instead of throwing out the refund purchase price/ill eat shipping as you did. So if THATS what it'll take here Andy, then say that this time. I recall the total being $125 including the freight, and unfortunately don't have a paypal history on it. Would you agree?