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xander9727

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What happened to the Pee-pee tree thread?

Did this thread take a real off color twist or did someone "just not like it"? As far as I read it was much less offensive than an episode of Ally "eat a frigin' sandwich" McBeal. Let us know what the great OZ thinks on this.
 
JPS still thinks he can delete or edit virtually any post at will. I remember the first time Darin deleted a post, and he debated about doing it for 3 days first (The old 'Beeboo' thread). But I don't think JPS feels right unless he deletes or edits at least 5 posts per week. :(

Now we not only have to be Politically Correct, but we also can only discuss issues JPS finds interesting or relevent. :(
 
I am a little sensitive when it comes to censorship too, but I think there are more REAL issues to deal with. Snivelling about the lack of professionalism in the industry is what it would look like to someone viewing the site. I think you were being jerked around and filling someones need for attention.

Frank
 
Some-body has to do it; and we all that have been here a while know why! i think that wee (oops!) should be glad that he steps up to the plate, where m-any couldn't/wouldn't (self included). Though i did hear that he shows prejudice if everything is spelt write in a post, perhaps that was the reason!

Personally i could see where that particular thread might be distasteful!!

There is always thee sponsor(s) to consider, what they want to be permanently associated with, and represented by here; especially for post infancy longevity in this place. So really he is doing many factions a favor in many ways, by maintaining things and expectations at a certain level!

My own pen has has groan to be silent for stretches of a time, and depths; do to my own person-all disenchant-meant from lack of such caring around here over time. It is my personal beleif that some gave up who's contributions wee could use, so we all have lost much more than a pee thread!

IMH,AO this day.

-KC
 
Good point, Ken. And in this particular case I agree with you. But I still think he's a little heavy handed with the 'edit' and 'delete' buttons. I noticed a distinct drop in participation here since he started over- editing threads.
 
The personalities and contents of this board are changing due to growth. People here have already discussed a lot of different topics. A lot of fundamental questions have been covered. It could help to reread some of those threads you guys wrote and see if you can move the contents to another level. It's not JPS or the "other" moderators being overzealous
with the edit button; this site is a business venture. Quite frankly, I think this thread needs deleted too. But, who am I to have any say?

Joe
 
Originally posted by Joe
The personalities and contents of this board are changing due to growth. People here have already discussed a lot of different topics. A lot of fundamental questions have been covered. It could help to reread some of those threads you guys wrote and see if you can move the contents to another level. It's not JPS or the "other" moderators being overzealous
with the edit button; this site is a business venture. Quite frankly, I think this thread needs deleted too. But, who am I to have any say?

Joe

I left the ISA forums because of censorship a few years ago. As in most censoring, it was heavy-handed and marginally incompetent. Many good innocent posts went on into oblivion because someone thought they had the power to think and write better than the rest of us.

Later, the ISA turned to secret censors. chosen or volunteered, I don't know, but perhaps he ISAers thought privatizing the tasks were better for them in escaping the heat.

I suspect this thread is about to pop too.

I had planned to write and ask, wasn't peeing out a tree, also a practical way to discipline grunts?

Bob Wulkowicz

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That's an interesting question. In order to have anything to say, don't we have to say something first?

But if they snip it off, so it's as if we never had anything said, then where are we to ever have any say?

How about:

PRIVATE FORUM

DO NOT READ
 
This place is passing from it's infancy; where and to what depth doesn't just depend on the moderator. i hope the posts that are deleted are saved to an area to be reviewed to form consistent standards, or examples of what doesn't go.

Joe, i too seek a deeper view of some of the same materials, seeking to draw from myself and others that next better level of understanding that grants access to power and grace. i have come to think of this as the place, and these the people for that.

Among all else too, but refreshingly so as i see you specific 2 stepping from amidst the mist.

Perhaps the flow of this is naturally in time as we close the year with these observations, and draw bead on a new, fresh one!

Brian, you don't have to feel tooo bad about agreeing with me, i even do it myself sometimes!! Of course, having a reputation to maintain, i won't tell anyone if you don't!
 
Enough people complaind so i killed it. Actualy if I upheld the standards that Darin set I would be tossing a lot more stuff out.

My initial responce was that it is not the worst that has come across the site and to keep i there, but after the seventh or eighth request for removal, all touching on the perception non proffesionals may have on our industry, I deleted it.

No Ken, they just get killed. IM(notso)HO anything I have deleted is not worth the disk space to save.

If you want to talk about bodily functions, or make off colored ethnic statements, then go to the chat room.

The terms of use state that we the site reserves the right to decide what is acceptable discourse.

As I have said before, Darin has given me discresion, if you have any complaints take them to him. He has not said anything to me yet.

so as the old Chinese saying goes;
Kwee cho b'chen ;)
 
:Eye::Eye:

Don't look at me! I didn't say anything! After reading the initial post and 1 or 2 replies, I decided not to bother reading it again. Honestly, Don't get :angry: with me about it. I didn't bother the moderators. I can ignore contents like discussing peeing out of trees. I don't care how you guys appear to others, seriously.


Joe

I will never claim to be a writer of any type, it'll either show, or it will not show.
 
Originally posted by John Paul Sanborn


Enough people complaind so i killed it.

... but after the seventh or eighth request for removal, all touching on the perception non proffesionals may have on our industry, I deleted it.

If you want to talk about bodily functions, or make off colored ethnic statements, then go to the chat room.

The terms of use state that we the site reserves the right to decide what is acceptable discourse.

As I have said before, Darin has given me discresion, if you have any complaints take them to him. He has not said anything to me yet.

so as the old Chinese saying goes;
Kwee cho b'chen ;)


Didn't WalMart pull a jigsaw puzzle off its shelves just after 9/11 because one person complained it showed the WTC on its cover?

What was that complaint? Body functions? Disrespect? An inability to understand that before 9/11, there was 9/10, and 9/9, and so back?

We have 7 or 8 people concerned about the"non-professional's" perceptions of us. What does that mean? That they don't whizz?

And why should the chat room provide any moral shelter? Can't the "non-professionals" go there as easily as we? And, boom, there go their perceptions again!

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Having the power of censorship is a big responsibility. Confined to pees and poops, it stays adolescent and younger; big deal.

But that same power always seems to get expanded to other issues, and our indvidual basic prejudices and perspectives creep in.

Keeping that power means watching our own predispositions and trying to keep them separate from the dialogues. Starting down a road of deciding what matters and what is of value according to one single decision-maker is a very slippery slope. It doesn't matter if 50 people complained, the action was taken by one.

Mr Justice Black would ask his clerks if the case before the Supreme Court was in printed form. If it was, they knew, as far as he was concerned, the book or pamphlet was protected by the Constitution and could not be reviewed for its content--and he would never even bother to open it.

What makes this forum valuable is the character and content of its writers. That's the magic.

Writers migrate to where they feel comfortable about writing and where they think they will be listened to with some respect. There are also many subtlities laced through the forums that determine their success in readership.

Go back and look at the ISA page; it isn't just dormant; it's gone to join the choir invisible. Why did that happen? Why is this a more vibrant and assertive site?

If you look for an answer for what goes well here, I don't think it will include a pair of scissors in the discovery.

Bob Wulkowicz.
 
Censorship is probably the reason we have gone from 15 new threads a day a few months ago to 4 or 5 now. Getting kinda boring. Anyway just my thought on the subject.
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The ISA board died mainly because the Format sucked! Just one reason.....
 
Actually, I think that the drop in activity on the boards simply reflects the season. Work is slower and we have less happening to stimulate discussion.
 
Originally posted by Toddppm
The ISA board died mainly because the Format sucked! Just one reason.....

What sucks about the I.S.A. discussion groups format?

Originally posted by Stumper
Actually, I think that the drop in activity on the boards simply reflects the season. Work is slower and we have less happening to stimulate discussion.

I've noticed just the opposite effect at other sites in the past. It seems as winter set in people had more time to reflect on the previous season. I would think every1 interested in improving their skills and knowledge would use this extra time to read industry related material and ask questions.

This board probably has more new comers who are less intimidated with asking questions of the more experienced people. I think this part of the attendance is dropping off.

Joe
 
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JPS or Darin,
How many new hits and posts are we getting compared to this time last year? That should clear up the controversy on whether or not interest is declining.
 
The Format at the ISA board sucks IMO because , it's a pain to participate(password protected), to read the threads is a pain, have to go through a couple diff. pages, then pick which forum, then which page, then which thread, then which page of the thread etc...I never had a problem with the cencorship there and I doubt many others did either. I had alot of problems with their system not remembering my info and then not letting me back in because I couldn't remember it and it wouldn't give it me! How about your forum Bob? Totally uncensored but still stagnant? Why's that? I think this site keeps going because of the ease of use and alot of different views and on-topic and useful discussions.
How did the peeing out of a tree thread have anything to do with everyday tree activities?
Consider the source-I think the last thread he started was pulled because he logged in under a different name starting a thread pretending to be totally clueless, just starting crap, should have kept that one too? He's just getting his jollies and attention and it's working. I was suprised and glad to see people actually took this thread serious and tried to help but I would bet the guy was BS ing just to get attention?
 
Was this one of your old employess? How did you deal with it? As a biz I wouldn't take the chance of a customer or neighbors seeing this, he'd be gone if he can't hold it or take care of it discreetly.
 
where is the pissing and moaning forum?? Can we move this there?? Maybe a whiny biotch forum or a "there's sand in my clit and its grinding" forum.

This stuff kills this forum

EDIT AWAY!
 
I have to agree about the censoring in that it does not make a site more popular - look at arborists. com that is stagnant as all get out. Being fresh and user friendly is the challenge.

AS does that. Tbuzz is fresh looking but not very fresh - bizz of the month stays the same for 6+mos.

Censoring should be for direction and subject matter not necessarily the f-word, etc.

With that in mind, just because the content is about the Commercial Tree Care and Climbing Forum, doesn't mean it is about Commercial Tree Care and Climbing.

If you edit, do what you have to, use your gut and don't knee jerk to the squeakiest wheel.

;)
 

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