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Got alot of good information at a meeting today, well good depending on how you look at it. Seems now most all the manufacturers have done a well enough job cleaning up their products that the EPA is no longer beating them over the head with a hammer. The new areas EPA is interested in now seem to be those of us that actually repair and sell the product to the public and the importers of aftermarket products. How bad has it gotton, well get this.

If you repair a EPA cerified saw and you have to replace a part that pertains to the emissions of that saw the part itself has to meet the exact same EPA certification as it did from the manufacturer. In simplier terms if a fellow brings in say a new 660 with a damaged muffler front and you remove it and put in place a new dual port cover instead of the solid cover it had guess what, if that fellow is from the EPA your gonna get a huge fine. If you take a single screw carb, yes the ones we hate, off a fairly new saw and replace with a fully two screw adjustable carb like they used on the older models and get caught your fined.

How bad has it gotten , ask Pep Boys. They only had to pay a 5 million dollar fine for importing China made products without EPA ceritifications. China didn't get fined, how nice.

http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpres...b14a70e1f812ccb18525771f00598dd0!OpenDocument


Why bring all this up. We've been put on notice, given a heads up ya might say, that someone somewhere is going to be made an example of. Not on the manufacturer end for they have pretty well satisfied EPA. They are now after sellers of China imports and yes, those us in little shops that tend to get loose with how we make repairs and do things as a good ole buddy to make that saw run better. Don't let it be you, do your repairs by the book and replace bad emission related parts with parts meant to replace that part, not some China knock off or old stlye OEM part that alters the emissions of the unit. That old stlye 3 screw carb, that BB kit or that old dual port cover we like may cost you a bundle now so be carefull, the dogs are on the hunt..
 
interesting information. pretty soon we are going to have to get our saws inspected annually.

I tell ya its getting so iffy it would be insane not to do things exactly by the book. The sad part is some SOB from the EPA could walk in your shop and strike up a buddy buddy conversation with you and later come back with a saw for you to do something to at his request and then burn your hiny. I doubt I would pay the fine, I'd probably be in jail for burning his house down,LOL

Seriously we all need to be mindfull of whats going on outthere, its getting insane.
 
MY Father in law is a mechanic and has been for 30 years. he has seen many undercover state inspectors bring in cars to be inspected. they will rig a car with something that will not pass and wait to see if the tech catches it. in his biz it pays to do thing by the book.
 
MY Father in law is a mechanic and has been for 30 years. he has seen many undercover state inspectors bring in cars to be inspected. they will rig a car with something that will not pass and wait to see if the tech catches it. in his biz it pays to do thing by the book.

We've had alot of state inspection centers around here get nailed over the years like that. What kills me is getting set up, man thats low in my view. Course they're comeback is you can't get set up if you do things like your suppose to, its a bummer if you ask me, having to work on people's things nowdays is almost like walking on glass. I do mostly everything by the book so I'm not too worried about it. I just put up that info for my fellow dealers outthere, a heads up..
 
I tell ya its getting so iffy it would be insane not to do things exactly by the book. The sad part is some SOB from the EPA could walk in your shop and strike up a buddy buddy conversation with you and later come back with a saw for you to do something to at his request and then burn your hiny. I doubt I would pay the fine, I'd probably be in jail for burning his house down,LOL

Seriously we all need to be mindfull of whats going on outthere, its getting insane.

Not sure that it will come down to the end-service level?

After hearing about it a thousand times in the vehicle repair level, I still started a huge pile scrap metals from 'ex' air-pumps and the like.

After all Mr Tommy, why would the government that thinks of these things, bite the hand that voted for them? (cough cough!)

Kidding aside, I sure hope THEY* have more to do then bring a White-handle' Stihl in to the the shop, maybe an orange handle now and again, but not a 660, it would scare them to death.

*THEY : Theadora, Henry, Eugene and YoYo,,,,, their here to help.
 
Not sure that it will come down to the end-service level?

After hearing about it a thousand times in the vehicle repair level, I still started a huge pile scrap metals from 'ex' air-pumps and the like.

After all Mr Tommy, why would the government that thinks of these things, bite the hand that voted for them? (cough cough!)

Kidding aside, I sure hope THEY* have more to do then bring a White-handle' Stihl in to the the shop, maybe an orange handle now and again, but not a 660, it would scare them to death.

*THEY : Theadora, Henry, Eugene and YoYo,,,,, their here to help.

Well when your a old dog and have hunted all the big game and there's nothing left to hunt you go after little game to eat. I think its insane but as you see, Pep Boys, big as a they are couldn't beat the bas=tards so I know I sure as hell couldn't.

I understand Congress is trying to pull money away from EPA to slow them down but the odd part is those that are trying to yank the money are the same bunch that started EPA and later gave them all that power in the first place. Lets hope they can reverse the monster they created...
 
Insane is the word - why can't they focus on the issues that really matter instead? :mad2:

I guess we all can imagine the answer, but it still is insane!

Exactly. Topping that it gets worse. Now the corn growers got what they fought for, E15, all about money as usual, getting rich causing someone else misery. It never ends ole buddy..
 
Exactly. Topping that it gets worse. Now the corn growers got what they fought for, E15, all about money as usual, getting rich causing someone else misery. It never ends ole buddy..

Hold on now, take a look again.
The Ecofreaks are the ones screaming for the Ethanol, and the Corporate Ag(Monsanto,Con agra,ADM etc.) giants are the ones lobbying thier way into influence over the Regulators. Joe Farmer the grower, is just growing what pays the taxes, and dealing with the assinine EPA Regs costing him many thousands of dollars per piece of equipment.

Don't be blaming us Tractor trash growers, we have been fighting this sort of bull#### for years. LOL!!

Stay safe!
Dingeryote
 
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Hold on now, take a look again.
The Ecofascist citiots and liberals are the ones screaming for the Ethanol, and the Corporate Ag(Monsanto,Con agra,ADM etc.) giants are the ones lobbying thier way into influence over the Regulators. Joe Farmer the grower, is just growing what pays the taxes, and dealing with the assinine EPA Regs costing him many thousands of dollars per piece of equipment.

The Ecofascists and the leftys put the EPA, and Corporate Ag in power to make this mess, and Obama put the former Monsanto lobbyist Vilsak in charge. Don't be blaming us Tractor trash growers, we have been fighting this sort of bull#### for years. LOL!!

Stay safe!
Dingeryote

I'm not blaming anyone Ding but it seems you need to look again. Better go look and see who was Pres when EPA was started. Then check down the road at another Pres that was going to end EPA but never did, in fact they named the building after him. Then check farther down the road at who was in the Whitehoue when they really started strutting their stuff around 2005. Far as the corn growers who are they being paid by, yup the farm bill, the biggest welfare program in the country. It does buy alot of votes though out in the mid west. For the money they are making off Ethenol I doubt any of them are crying about the tractor,LOLOL
 
HeHeHe, Everyone's gonna have to delete all their posts here about muffler mods and porting or carb-swapping etc.. and removal of chainbrakes and grinding down of safety chain and enlarging oil holes etc.. etc.. Just in case "THEY" track ya down and throw y'all in clink. And all the poor ole Dolmar and Echo owners are all gonna have to lean their saws back to death again... Just think of all the burnt-out and fried pistons that'll be piling up the trash now... hehehehe
 
wow, way to treat the symptom and not the disease. The "UDBA" is alive and well...

I'd like to treat EPA with a grand see you insane bunch later, they have gotten way too big for thier pants. Hell at the rate they are going they'll be putting exhaust converters on cigarettes, pipes and cigars before long...
 
HeHeHe, Everyone's gonna have to delete all their posts here about muffler mods and porting or carb-swapping etc.. and removal of chainbrakes and grinding down of safety chain and enlarging oil holes etc.. etc.. Just in case "THEY" track ya down and throw y'all in clink. And all the poor ole Dolmar and Echo owners are all gonna have to lean their saws back to death again... Just think of all the burnt-out and fried pistons that'll be piling up the trash now... hehehehe

Not really. I was talking to the guy at the meeting today about that. I agree with him, it would be mightly hard for them to go searching around homes trying to catch a guy doing alittle trick work in his garage. Businesses are much easier to find and walk into. I wanna get me a German Shepard and train him to sniff out a snitch when he walks in. If the dog barks I'll say sik em boy, tear his pants off,LOLOL
 
my dad grew up with this #### in the 40's 50's and 60's in eastern europe. That's why I was born here...

Funny you mention that. Europe was brought up today about all this. To my surpize we was told Europe has no ethanol at all, only the USA and Brazil use it. Brazil uses sugar cane which is much better than corn. They are at 20% there but the sugar cane ethanol doesn't cause all the problems that corn does. No other industrial country in the world fools with ethanol at all, I didn't know that, that really surpized me. I'm gonna look into that for I find that hard to beleive but thats what he said.
 
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Exactly. Topping that it gets worse. Now the corn growers got what they fought for, E15, all about money as usual, getting rich causing someone else misery. It never ends ole buddy..

Yeah,,,
They forgot to tell you it takes 2,000 gallons of water to grow enough corn or soybeans to make one gallon of ethanol!!!!!!

Plus they are actually finding out the ethanol fueled vehicles are worse on making greenhouse gas as the regular unleaded fuel without ethanol,,,

but they arent publicizing that!!!! Infact they are trying to sweep that info under the carpet

Whats wrong with this picture,,, :givebeer:
 
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There are approx. 5000 aircraft in the sky at any given time. Let's assume 1000 are commercial jets. A commercial jet burns about 50000 lbs of Jet A kerosene an hour. That is 50 Million pounds an hour of basically diesel fuel. Dirty stuff. Good time to fine small engine technicians and their employers.
 
Funny you mention that. Europe was brought up today about all this. To my surpize we was told Europe has no ethanol at all, only the USA and Brazil use it. Brazil uses sugar cane which is much better than corn. They are at 20% there but the sugar cane ethanol doesn't cause all the problems that corn does. No other industrial country in the world fools with ethanol at all, I didn't know that, that really surpized me. I'm gonna look into that for I find that hard to beleive but thats what he said.


Keep digging Tommy.
Despite your confusion as to who is behind the mess, and the EPA bieng taken over by the radical left, you're on the right track.

Keep digging, and while you're at it dig deeper into Carol Browner who was at one time an adminstrator of Global socialists USA and stated that the U.S. Economy must be brought down in order to redistribute wealth to developing nations through environmental legislation. Then look up Van Jones and the rest of the Econazis that are still dictating glabalist reforms through the EPA.

Stay safe!
Dingeryote
 
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