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Fyrebug...you are indeed correct. When the regualtions come out, it'll be interesting to see the outcome. The woodburners of today are saddled with a stygma that is unfounded in my opinion. There is so much industry today that is polluting our air as well.

I am very glad to see EPA tightening up. It's good for the industry.
 
I think its the gas companies putting pressure on them, because their losing money due to wood stoves.
 
Not true. EPA will introduce new legislation for biomass central heating likely in a couple of month. What this means is they will now have standards for OWB & furnaces. MFG will have to test for emissions, efficiencies, BTU etc...

What this means for the consumer is they will now have a baseline standards to shop around and get a high-efficiency clean burning unit.

There a whole thread about EPA furnaces (Keith don't start again... :msp_mad:) you may want to read where pretty much everything that needed to be said, was said about this topic.

http://www.arboristsite.com/firewood-heating-wood-burning-equipment/182165.htm

hmmmmm, so keith should be banned,,because of his thoughts and opinions on things???? sounds like obama wanting to shut up all opposing opinions...
 
What brings about bans, is the morons who blithely burn tires and railroad ties, neither knowing nor caring that they're marinating their neighbors downwind in a carcinogenic soup.
That is one of the things gummint is for- protection of life. Would you prefer that the injured party inflict a little frontier justice on the perp?

Looking for scapegoats? See "morons" above.

did you know,,they took ALLLL the used railroad ties,,from our area,beside the tracks,,to a place in ky,,to have them burnt,,in a electric generating plant???? all the people in ky,,will be dead,,the day after they start doing this..........................................................................................:msp_thumbdn:
 
Rergardless of the vessel one burns in / with, seasoned, dry, wood should be the norm. I do not belive there are many if any people burning tires, ties, or carcasses in their burners. I do believe there are a good few that choose to burn green wood whether out of lack of knowledge, care for others, or because they can.

that the left leaning peta type tree huggers ploy,,to get wood burning stopped,,dont eat meat also....they are the sky is falling types...UNLESS, they are doing it....
 
I'll start granting credibility to EPA and the rest of the Government employers of politician's gestated demon spawn when they FORCE California and Arizona to install proper smoke abatement and filtering for those wildfires they enjoy having so much.

Stupid politicians kids can't do a damn thing beyond collect a paycheck!

BEST post of the day!!!!! and REAL accurate...too many other gov employed people are the same
 
hmmmmm, so keith should be banned,,because of his thoughts and opinions on things???? sounds like obama wanting to shut up all opposing opinions...

Absolutely not! Keith is welcome to his opinions and post them wherever and whenever he wants - no matter how wrong he is :msp_ohmy: Kidding Keith!

The point is the topic was ground to dust in the thread I referenced. This thread exhausted to topic to the point many users told us to shut up! So I didn't want to start another furnace war.

Keith is a good guy and provides a lot of valuable info on this site.
 
There will come a day when anything that burns wood will have to comply with EPA regs and it is not too far down the road.
I doubt that the enforcers will come out to pull every non EPA wood burner out, however there have been folks that have been fined due to poor burning practices....like in the state of NY.

Manufactures will have to comply...so anything bought after a certain date will have to be EPA certified.

The problem is when you have a group of folks making complaints it becomes an issue. Once an issue... there can be laws made to rectify the said issue.

My problem is with a gov.that has so much control in my life. I pay a good amount in taxes for which I receive nothing yet immigrants can come here...get free housing,food,medical care and when they want to open a biz they get cheap loans or grants.I'm not able to apply.

The feds are equally keen on spending copious amounts of cash on all sorts of things that have nothing to do with my life....and they have a goal to control the public...control equals power and power equals $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

When it comes to heating your home and the feds are gonna have a say in how you do it and what you do it with...please.
They already are looking at sin taxes for soda pop drinkers because of it making folks fat.
They are telling us what to eat....please!
They tax smokers to pay for medical care for the nation uninsured youths...why put the onus on smokers...better yet tax milk or something the majority of tax payers use to be fair.

You can thank your lucky stars that the Cap & Trade did not fly...everything you buy would have gone up 40%
1/6th of the US population is already under poverty levels just released...yes 50 million people.

You think the issue of mandating wood burners is a simple one...I'll say it is the tip of the ice berg of government control.

One last thing...if someone asks did you vote for O'bama...the answer does not matter.
You did not put him in office...the electoral college did...they are not a college either.
The popular vote doesn't mean a thing except to make you feel good.

On a state level it does count and that is where we should be sending our $$$.
Our State should be where our laws are made...where we the people have a say.
 
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It boils down to being considerate. We can still burn slash piles in my end of the county. I think most people here try to get their piles going hot. We old professional slash burners have a saying, "GET THAT COLUMN GOING!" Which means get the fire burning hot, so there isn't a heavy smoke hanging down on the ground. A good slash burn had a mushroom cloud above it....no kidding, and on some days you could see several mushroom clouds going.

Right now my woodstove seems to be burning well. It is EPA certified with Warshington standards added

I have lived next to people who burned unknown junk which would make you favor stricter standards. One neighbor burned green grass with used motor oil on it. I was on the side that the smoke drifted towards. But he was nice. After I explained that I had bronchitis on a hot day when windows needed to be open, he put it out. We were both polite.

Oh, and as far as I can tell from the opposition quality, I'll be electing Obama again. :hmm3grin2orange:
 
This thread seems to have a few or many for that matter tree huggers in disguise to further spread the word of hate on wood burners. I would not even be suprised if the gas companys get in on the bashing. Beware of the newcomers!
 
Please don't say we are going to re-elect Obama. I didn't vote for him before and I don't care how bad the other choices are they can't be as bad as him. I would vote for the neighborhood stray cat that leaves dead birds in my yard before I'd vote for Obama but I guess that's for another thread in another forum.

I burn an old All-Nighter wood stove. No epa anything anywhere on it. It's a big hunk of cast iron, lined with firebrick, a door, some air vents on the front and a stove pipe out the back. It burns just fine, nice and clean. Very rarely does it smoke, even with wood that isn't seasoned the best. I don't burn anything but wood in it and never really green wood. What we need is more common sense and common courtesy, not more government involvement in our lives. Since when has the government ever done anything better or more efficiently than the private sector? Never. I have no problem with telling people who are smoking up the neighborhood to please stop and if they don't then you go to the town or city officials. I have no problem with local ordinances against excessive smoke but epa regulations on how I heat my house? I don't think so. The day some govt. knucklehead shows up at my house and tells me I have to stop burning wood and use the electric baseboard heaters or spend thousands on an epa rated stove or furnace is the day I go to jail for shootinig a govt. knucklehead. OK, I won't really shoot anyone, probably, but you get the point.

I may end up buying an epa rated stove or furnace eventually on my own because it sounds like they burn more efficiently and save in the long run but right now my wood is free so I really don't care if I burn 3-4 cords instead of 2-3. It's Nov. 10th and 60 degrees out where I am so I am not even running my stove right now. I'm not like you guys way up north who have to burn 24/7 from Oct-May so if I burn 50% more wood with an older stove it's not really a big deal for me. Spending the extra money on an epa stove might not be worth it and spending $500 a month or more for electric heat would be a big time problem.
 
This thread seems to have a few or many for that matter tree huggers in disguise to further spread the word of hate on wood burners. I would not even be suprised if the gas companys get in on the bashing. Beware of the newcomers!

Am I a newcomer? That's news. I've been burning wood off and on for some time. We don't have a gas company here.

Government is brought in when people do not think of what they are doing. Like the tire burners. Like the green wood burners. Individuals who cannot change what their rude neighbor is doing to their lungs.

Woodsmoke is not harmless. That is why wildfire fighters get an earlier, mandatory retirement in the Forest Service. I've seen guys that were OK suddenly become sensitive to smoke. How many have been in the thick of it, choking and even puking? I have. We used to wear swimming goggles so we "could stay in the smoke longer." I started coming home with bronchitis. I'd carry Primatene out on the line so I could breathe better. I get asked by doctors if I am a smoker. Wood smoke is not a good thing. Regulating smoke is necessary because of the jerks who cannot/will not burn wood responsibly. The bad neighbors.

That's why I promote logging. Yup, I have hugged a lot of trees when I was trying to keep my balance on a vertical slope, while getting a unit ready to log. We call grabbing brush on steep slopes Vegetation Belays. :)
 
Agree with what your saying, however it seems that there are alot of people trying to take the rights away from people who try to do the right thing. I try my best to be a good neighbor!
 
Agree with what your saying, however it seems that there are alot of people trying to take the rights away from people who try to do the right thing. I try my best to be a good neighbor!

The jerks ruin it for everybody. Nobody notices the chimney putting out clear smoke. They do notice the one with the black smoke that lays down.

The jerks do not care and continue to do so until laws are passed making what they do illegal. That's when we (we are all government) step in. Now, if you could get the jerks to change their ways with peer pressure instead of more laws and rules, all would be fine.

I have worked with timber sale contracts. Those contracts can be an inch thick, all because when somebody finds a loophole and does something bad, another rule has to go in place to close that hole up. As long as we have scoundrels, we will continue to get more rules and laws.
 
Its gonna turn out to be where Obama is going to ban wood burners just like he is guns:mad2::mad2::mad2:
 
Oh, and as far as I can tell from the opposition quality, I'll be electing Obama again. :hmm3grin2orange:[/QUOTE]

Nice statement..So,,again,,your happy with the last three years hope and change??? Hope something good would happen,,and he changed the course of this nation to a socialist dynasty,,with him being the king puppet,,of g soros..Cute..So the opposition,,is stupid,,compared to you,eh?????? Im sure,,the rest on this forum,,can figure,,about someone that admits to voting for blowmouth...
 
Its gonna turn out to be where Obama is going to ban wood burners just like he is guns:mad2::mad2::mad2:

Please tell me about this mad conspriracy? I've not heard about guns. I think he's smart enough not to go there.

I've not heard about banning burning wood either. That seems to be more of a state thing. More local. Maybe even a county thing in our fair state of Washington.

Oh, and here's the story on how slash burning became regulated more.

We used to have a lot more logging here. Logging as in clearcutting. Clearcuts up to 40 acres were legal on National Forests. I do not know what the rules were for private land. We were also cutting the old growth. That meant trees with big limbs and lots of limbs. You could be walking on slash that was 6 feet deep. Your feet did not hit the ground. That slash had to be burned so the units could be replanted. That was and is the law.

Spring burning became popular. Burning in the Fall meant that the snow would soon arrive to put out the smolderion stumps and snags, but Fall burning was harder on the soils. Because the slash was dry from sitting through the Summer heat, the fire burned hotter, and destroyed more of the soil organisms that make the soil productive.

So, a switch was made to burn in the Spring--late May, June and even into July. The large sized fuels would have more moisture in them as would the soil, and you would not get the scorched earth problems. The big cull logs left in the units provide habitat for critters and when decayed, build up the soil. We'd literally be following the snow melt up in elevation, burning as it melted--with a few days to dry of course.

There was a beautiful weekend. We got called in to burn, as did every other crew in W. Warshington. Mushroom clouds galore were going. Then, the wind shifted. The smoke from all these burns was blown over Olympia, Tacoma and Seattle. They got what our local communities got and put up with. We were logging/sawmill communities and put up with a few days of smoke. They were not. The complaints began.

Olympia is our state capitol. Rules were made. No more burning on weekends or holidays. Burners must get clearance from a newly created smoke management agency....and so on. That's how rules get made.

Burning added jobs to our community. We burned, the timber buyers supplied the fireline builders and mop up crews. It was a busy time for us.

Now, there isn't much call for it. Second or third growth is loggged. Trees can be sent up to the landings with limbs attached and a processor or delimber limbs the trees and bucks them up. The small slash is left in the unit to help protect the soils.

There are landing piles to burn, but with biomass starting up, even those may become a thing of the past.

That's the story. I'm thinking it happened around 1987.
 
Just heard from my dealer all owb have been banned in PA since May. Gassification stoves are now the only ones legal to buy. Existing stoves are grandfathered in. Instead of banning them, rules and regulations should be put into place. How close your neighbors are, nothing other than wood being burned, etc. One individual here burned all summer, with the smoke billowing into his neighbors house. Another that lives near me, tears down old houses and burns all of it, including the urine soaked, turd-encrusted carpeting that has to smell absolutely wonderful. No wonder bans have been passed.
 
they didnt ban owb's in nys. just set limits on placement, must burn clean wood, stack height, and must be certified for emissions. things that should be common sense unfortunately some people just dont care until its regulated.

my wood furnace is older than me and i dont have any issues with smoke, i just burn wood. so it seems these smokers must be burning other junk.

Part 247: Outdoor Wood Boilers - NYS Dept. of Environmental Conservation
 
Just heard from my dealer all owb have been banned in PA since May. Gassification stoves are now the only ones legal to buy. Existing stoves are grandfathered in. Instead of banning them, rules and regulations should be put into place. How close your neighbors are, nothing other than wood being burned, etc. One individual here burned all summer, with the smoke billowing into his neighbors house. Another that lives near me, tears down old houses and burns all of it, including the urine soaked, turd-encrusted carpeting that has to smell absolutely wonderful. No wonder bans have been passed.

Funny when it comes to Gobermint interventions there is such a hot dispute against it but really sometimes its the only thing that makes sense.

To wit: If you dont ban them and go for rules and regulations... Who's gonna enforce and pay to ensure compliance do you think? At the end of the day, the Gobermint will have to hire enforcers (inspectors) and the tax payer will fork out once again. History tells us once something is installed its next to impossible to rip it out - regulations or not.

I also find it funny to hear the argument the Gobermint & EPA should but out of clean air regulations. Oh yea? How are you going to fix it then? Knock politely on someone's door and ask them to stop smoking up the neighbourhood? City, county, state regulations only moves the problem down the street. Wind patterns will make sure it blows back in your face one way or the other. The only regulation that makes sense is one that is adopted across North America.

History also tells us you cant count on business to self regulate. When it comes to clean air, water & food does the business world really has my back or are they looking at their bottom line? Time an again they have disapointed us because if they can find a loop hole and cut corners they will.

15 years years ago, an hour north of where I live large pig farmers didnt know what to do with all the manure. They had no Gobermint regulations to bother them. So being the good corporate citizens they were and having nothing but the welfare of the inhabitants in mind they sprayed manure in the summer, fall, winter, spring to the point they burned fields and bacteria got into the city wells. A few people died, few hundreds ended up in the hospital with severe health problems they still have to this day.

Gobermint stepped in with Regulations, we no longer have dead & sick because of it and yes we still have pig farmers. Only now they are not poisoning me.
 
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