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oldirty

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this is a maple i climbed this morning.
it was leaning towards the house and worrying the property owner.
anyway heres a couple pics to show i am not a stiff.
nothing technical to this climb just some well thrown heads to keep it off the house.
there was rot in the leader to the left but it was over the backyard.(quick bombing out of a few of the heavy lower branches and she was gone)
ended up being a big fat piece of firewood after i got the stuff on the right away from the house.

oldirty

(my rope is thrown through the crotch of the maple behind the TD to keep it away from the groundguy. i am tied in around just below my feet, on that "stick" shot, and fliplined in)
 
Nice pics of a basic removal job. Whoever said you were a stiff was just plain wrong, that's for sure.

What would really be interesting would be pics of the inside of the tree, like the rot in that one leader. The owner's worries could have been taken care of by a light pruning, but that work is not nearly as exciting. Now the tree on the left looks like it leans more toward that neighbor, so they may want it down, too.

Every tree in the world leans, so there's no end to removal work. Sweet deal, huh?:blob2: But tree owners have to consider everything about the tree to make a good decision on what to do with it.



Benefits of Trees

Most trees and shrubs in cities or communities are planted to provide beauty or shade. These are two excellent reasons for their use. Woody plants also serve many other purposes, and it often is helpful to consider these other functions when selecting a tree or shrub for the landscape. The benefits of trees can be grouped into social, communal, environmental, and economic categories.

Social Benefits

We like trees around us because they make life more pleasant. Most of us respond to the presence of trees beyond simply observing their beauty. We feel serene, peaceful, restful, and tranquil in a grove of trees. We are “at home” there. Hospital patients have been shown to recover from surgery more quickly when their hospital room offered a view of trees. The strong ties between people and trees are most evident in the resistance of community residents to removing trees to widen streets. Or we note the heroic efforts of individuals and organizations to save particularly large or historic trees in a community.

The stature, strength, and endurance of trees give them a cathedral-like quality. Because of their potential for long life, trees frequently are planted as living memorials. We often become personally attached to trees that we or those we love have planted.

Communal Benefits

Even though trees may be private property, their size often makes them part of the community as well. Because trees occupy considerable space, planning is required if both you and your neighbors are to benefit. With proper selection and maintenance, trees can enhance and function on one property without infringing on the rights and privileges of neighbors.

City trees often serve several architectural and engineering functions. They provide privacy, emphasize views, or screen out objectionable views. They reduce glare and reflection. They direct pedestrian traffic. They provide background to and soften, complement, or enhance architecture.

Environmental Benefits

Trees alter the environment in which we live by moderating climate, improving air quality, conserving water, and harboring wildlife. Climate control is obtained by moderating the effects of sun, wind, and rain. Radiant energy from the sun is absorbed or deflected by leaves on deciduous trees in the summer and is only filtered by branches of deciduous trees in winter. We are cooler when we stand in the shade of trees and are not exposed to direct sunlight. In winter, we value the sun’s radiant energy. Therefore, we should plant only small or deciduous trees on the south side of homes.

Wind speed and direction can be affected by trees. The more compact the foliage on the tree or group of trees, the greater the influence of the windbreak. The downward fall of rain, sleet, and hail is initially absorbed or deflected by trees, which provides some protection for people, pets, and buildings. Trees intercept water, store some of it, and reduce storm runoff and the possibility of flooding.

Dew and frost are less common under trees because less radiant energy is released from the soil in those areas at night.

Temperature in the vicinity of trees is cooler than that away from trees. The larger the tree, the greater the cooling. By using trees in the cities, we are able to moderate the heat-island effect caused by pavement and buildings in commercial areas.

Air quality can be improved through the use of trees, shrubs, and turf. Leaves filter the air we breathe by removing dust and other particulates. Rain then washes the pollutants to the ground. Leaves absorb carbon dioxide from the air to form carbohydrates that are used in the plant’s structure and function. In this process, leaves also absorb other air pollutants—such as ozone, carbon monoxide, and sulfur dioxide—and give off oxygen.

By planting trees and shrubs, we return to a more natural, less artificial environment. Birds and other wildlife are attracted to the area. The natural cycles of plant growth, reproduction, and decomposition are again present, both above and below ground. Natural harmony is restored to the urban environment.

Economic Benefits

Individual trees and shrubs have value, but the variability of species, size, condition, and function makes determining their economic value difficult. The economic benefits of trees can be both direct and indirect. Direct economic benefits are usually associated with energy costs. Air-conditioning costs are lower in a tree-shaded home. Heating costs are reduced when a home has a windbreak. Trees increase in value from the time they are planted until they mature. Trees are a wise investment of funds because landscaped homes are more valuable than nonlandscaped homes. The savings in energy costs and the increase in property value directly benefit each home owner.

The indirect economic benefits of trees are even greater. These benefits are available to the community or region. Lowered electricity bills are paid by customers when power companies are able to use less water in their cooling towers, build fewer new facilities to meet peak demands, use reduced amounts of fossil fuel in their furnaces, and use fewer measures to control air pollution. Communities also can save money if fewer facilities must be built to control storm water in the region. To the individual, these savings are small, but to the community, reductions in these expenses are often in the thousands of dollars.

Trees Require an Investment

Trees provide numerous aesthetic and economic benefits but also incur some costs. You need to be aware that an investment is required for your trees to provide the benefits that you desire. The biggest cost of trees and shrubs occurs when they are purchased and planted. Initial care almost always includes some watering. Leaf, branch, and whole tree removal and disposal can be expensive.

To function well in the landscape, trees require maintenance. Much can be done by the informed home owner. Corrective pruning and mulching gives trees a good start. Shade trees, however, quickly grow to a size that may require the services of a professional arborist. Arborists have the knowledge and equipment needed to prune, spray, fertilize, and otherwise maintain a large tree. Your garden center owner, university extension agent, community forester, or consulting arborist can answer questions about tree maintenance, suggest treatments, or recommend qualified arborists.

The PHC Alternative

Maintaining mature landscapes is a complicated undertaking. You may wish to consider a professional plant health care (PHC) maintenance program that is now available from many landscape care companies. The program is designed to maintain plant vigor and initially should include inspections to detect and treat any existing problems that could be damaging or fatal. Thereafter, regular inspections and preventive maintenance help ensure plant health and beauty.
 
dump trailer

Hey oldirty, how ya likin' that dump trailer. I was thinking of getting one. Any problems with it?
 
treeseer, was all of that really necessary!!!!! good lord, the guy posts sum pic`s of a removal & gets a whole tree benefits package. good job olddirty!!!
 
never pulled the trigger

still up in the air , as per the norm, on where i wanna be come "the season" so not sure if i need the truck. its a V10 anyway so i know it wont draw too much interest. if its there its there, ya know.

camera phone took those shots and didnt want to bring it up. (no need for one. had a groundguy)

and i feel you about the love/care/need/want/wayof life regarding the trees. they have taught me alot about myself and at some point in my life i am going to devote a period of it planting trees. out of respect.

truth be told that maple didnt have to come down at all but the insurance company suggested it did. for coverage purposes of course.
i did feel bad that it had to go because was a nice tree.

but i do have to eat.


oldirty
 
dump trailer (misread the Q)

that dump trailer is great. worth every dollar you spend on it if you throw some sides on it. u can go up forever with the sides if you want to make a big chip trailer.

she'll hold some weight.
plenty of room for a bobcat and its accessories.


yah definetly a solid tool if you are leaning that way.

oldirty
 
truth be told that maple didnt have to come down at all but the insurance company suggested it did. for coverage purposes of course.

Oh heck yeah, send that insurance company down here, I like how they think! Good on them for assessing the risk, either pony up with more premium $'s or eliminate the risk. I like that. I could keep them busy for years down here looking at potential threats.

Ah, dont worry about Treeseer, he's one eyed.

Me, I got stereo vision. You know. Check this out.

This is under construction and about half done sitting at a temp address.

http://host558.ipowerweb.com/~weareall/

And this is the other. http://www.palmtreeservices.com.au

But all roads lead to Rome. :ices_rofl: :rock: :rockn: :greenchainsaw: :clap: :blob4: :hmm3grin2orange:
 
two things

first it looks like I would have cut the tree at the base and said heck with climbing it :) and second...I just sold my dump trailer because of its weight. I do much better with just a standard trailer. Just my .02 cents worth.
Munkeeft
 
Good work on the site there Ekka. And don't worry Jak, I'm not one-eyed, removal is always an option. The insurance company could have been satisfied with pruning and inspection every few years, slower but steadier income and more of it on that one tree, over its lifetime.

Nice job on the removal, and good idea to look at all the options. Selling tree care is more complicated, but not that hard once you get the hang of it. Kinda like removals...
 
Right on Guy, it's better business for sure, and less competition as not every saw user understands tree anatomy and fungi/pests etc.

I'm off to do some horrid fence-line stuff today, 5 trees in total getting whacked back to the fence, no mercy for the tresspassers was the order. :hmm3grin2orange:

And removal of one big azzed palm in a bad azzed spot.:biggrinbounce2:
 
treeseer, was all of that really necessary!!!!! good lord, the guy posts sum pic`s of a removal & gets a whole tree benefits package. good job olddirty!!!

I agree nice work dirty. Trees are owned by whoever owns the property they are on. If they dont like the tree for whatever reason it is their property and is their right to do whatever they want with it. We as arborists are only here to make recommendations, but is up to the owner of the tree to have the final say.

If you dance around up there only with a pole pruner without the skill, man-power, and equipment removals may scare you.


We cut down a few perfectly healthy trees today because the homeowner didnt like the leaves and acorns dropping into his pool. Is that a crime? No it's called being able to fully cater to your customers needs.
 
If you dance around up there only with a pole pruner without the skill, man-power, and equipment removals may scare you.
Maybe, maybe not. Good pruning calls for climbing through the whole tree and cutting where and how the tree needs it. Equipment for removals involves saw, rope and trailer; tree care requires that and a lot more.;)

olddirty's got the right idea when he says "I feel you about the love/care/need/want/wayof life regarding the trees. they have taught me alot about myself and at some point in my life i am going to devote a period of it planting trees. out of respect."

As for "being able to fully cater to your customers needs", hoo boy I hope you agree there's got to be a limit to how far you're willing to go with THAT!:help:
 
As for "being able to fully cater to your customers needs", hoo boy I hope you agree there's got to be a limit to how far you're willing to go with THAT!:help:

The scenario I presented there was a few trees the customer didnt like because they were dropping acorns and leaves into his pool. He didnt like that tree and what it did, so he decided to remove it. Who am I to say that he should put more time into cleaning his pool manually and keep the tree? Who are you to say what someone should do with their property? Keep it or get rid of it. If they want it gone are you going to jump in front yelling "stop "of the next company equipped to remove it, because the tree should be loved instead of removed?

What would you do Guy? would you walk and give up all the further pruning the yard needs to the next company that can take on both, removals and pruning. Thats fine if you are not a full service company, but some trees must and will go, healthy or not.
 
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truth be told that maple didnt have to come down at all but the insurance company suggested it did. for coverage purposes of course.
i did feel bad that it had to go because was a nice tree.
oldirty

I feel the same way you do. If you would have walked away on principle, you might have missed an opportunity for a paycheck. Someone else would have been hired and they may not have done a "respectful" job preventing collateral damage, etc. It doesn't always feel good to do a removal but sometimes it's a necessary part of this business. I am just learning that. Walking away on principle usually means that you will line the pockets of the next guy. If you are forced out of the removal business, then how can you afford to plant trees in your later years? The fact that the insurance company wanted the tree down makes it easier to swallow for someone like me.
 
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