Well since my used 361 didnt pan out, I started looking at new stuff. Why isnt there much info out there about the 441? I searched and came up with little as far a reviews and what not. Why do people seem to be steering clear of this model?
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stihlboy
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i have ran one of these saws and it greatly impressed me with its power they are 800 out here
CentaurG2
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Compared to other currently available models (husky 372, dolmar7900, and MS460) the 441 is a poor choice. I have only used this saw once, and once was enough. For lack of a better description, it was like cutting a log with a large watermelon. If you can find one, a used ms440 is an excellent saw! Compared to a 440, the 441 is a cruel joke.
davefr
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It's not mod "friendly" and it's about the same weight as the MS460 but with less power. Price isn't that compelling either. There should be plenty of 441 post here. (do an advanced search)
There are plenty of users that love them though. (ie low vibs and fuel misers)
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stihl only
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The ones I have sold are in the hands of very happy owners. They also take them out and cut wood with them. They have no desire to port, polish, muffler mod, etc their saws.
If your plans are to "build" a saw, why not start with a parts saw in the first place?
If your plans are to cut wood, they are just fine. They are the same weight as a 460, so you may want to go that way.
Just curious why you aren't looking at a 361 since you were looking at a used one?
After all, it's the best saw on the planet
If your plans are to "build" a saw, why not start with a parts saw in the first place?
If your plans are to cut wood, they are just fine. They are the same weight as a 460, so you may want to go that way.
Just curious why you aren't looking at a 361 since you were looking at a used one?
After all, it's the best saw on the planet
To be completely honest, because it would be bigger than the saws that the three guys I cut with have! Seriously though I think the 361 would do everything I want to do but it just seemed like for a little more money I could get a fair amount more cc's. I am taking advantage of my buddy's 20% discount so I want to buy as much saw as possible but I also dont want to spend a grand.
stihl only
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I need more customers that think like you!
Well, without the friends 20% discount thing, that is!
So how does he get 20% off? I'm lucky to get that!
Dadatwins
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I typed 441 into the search box and came back with 40 pages and 1000 posts on this site about the item. Happy reading
http://arboristsite.com/search.php?searchid=2320649
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bigjake
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Dude i have 2 441 s they are not dogs my saw will cut with a stock 460
anyday i did it.and uses less than half the fuel and its the smoothest saw
you will run.people dont like them because they are new .its a strato motor
witch they all are going to be .I can run a 36'' bar with a skip in hardwood
all the bad stuff is from people who have heard it from another who hasnt run
one.I forget but someone else has one on her and loves it.I would rather cut
with my 441 than a 460 anyday.Its not a dog Stihl boy and Brad snelling
ran mine.
anyday i did it.and uses less than half the fuel and its the smoothest saw
you will run.people dont like them because they are new .its a strato motor
witch they all are going to be .I can run a 36'' bar with a skip in hardwood
all the bad stuff is from people who have heard it from another who hasnt run
one.I forget but someone else has one on her and loves it.I would rather cut
with my 441 than a 460 anyday.Its not a dog Stihl boy and Brad snelling
ran mine.
Paul001
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People are not steering clear of them. People who like to tinker, such as those on this site, are.
I have several crews running the 441 and can say not one has been back to my shop for repair work. Heck one of my customers was running two 044/440's on each crew. He stopped in for a new saw last summer, bought the 441, came back later that day and bought 6 more. They love em.
The only draw back from a consumers stand point, slight increase in weight over the MS440. Given the features/benefits; Reduced vibration, better air filtration, etc and the fact that you can now get the stiffer springs for use with larger bars...that added weight is not a big deal.
Ask your deal if you can put one in the cut, you'll like it.
bigjake
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Yes i ask my dealer and he has not had one back .If you do buy one upgrade
to the bigger dawgs they are to small on a 441 Baileys has them.
to the bigger dawgs they are to small on a 441 Baileys has them.
windthrown
361 Junkie
Well, if you are stuck with buying a new saw with a great discount, you have a choice of a 361, 441, 460 and 660. And maybe a 650. The 650 and 660 are about a grand each. The 660 is the better saw of the two. With the discount a 660 would be nice. But would you use a saw that size just to be bigger than the other guys? It is a large saw.
For me the 441 was like cutting with a kid's spring loaded rocking horse. Similar to the watermelon analogy. Odd saw. Smooth cutting though. Wide body, most loggers did not like it. Several here on AS love it though. When the 440 was cut from the US sales list, most loggers flipped to the 460. The 460 is a good saw, but has lots of vibration when running it. I would consider a Husky 372 over the 460 simply for the far better AV.
If you can only get a Stihl, I would seriously consider the 361. It has far better AV, and it is a great design for a saw. You can also modify it for 10-25% more power with a muffler mod or a full port mod. The 441 does not do well at high altitudes, and is hard to modify due to the strato scavanged porting design. All 2-stroke saws are heading that direction though. Every saw but the 441 in this list will be off the shelves in 2010 due to stricter EPA regulations.
So you can go the macho route and get the 460, or the 660. Or the better AV route and get the 361 or the 441. I prefer the 361 myself. Not a weenie saw by any means, I have never gotten any dis when I showed up with one. If anything, I get praise for what it can do. The pair of them in my corral can do a lot of cutting, and with a lot of bar and chain combinations.
SawTroll
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I believe the new 576xp is a better choise, at least it is a tad lighter, with more power - but as long as the 372xp is still out there, no thanks to both the 441 and 576xp.
Peacock
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The people who give it a bad review haven't run one.
Read the threads in the past and you'll find that anyone who has one loves it.
I wouldn't trade mine for a 372 or 440 and I've used them both. It simply outcuts them while being smoother and using less fuel.
The weight is nothing unless you're used to a 026 or something like that.
Read the threads in the past and you'll find that anyone who has one loves it.
I wouldn't trade mine for a 372 or 440 and I've used them both. It simply outcuts them while being smoother and using less fuel.
The weight is nothing unless you're used to a 026 or something like that.
mattmc2003
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Local power company tree crew had 3 441 and one 440. Out of the three 441 they got one still. Guy said the other two had carb problems and were sent back first day. He said they liked the 440 better, but the 3rd 441 never missed a beat either. Im just the messenger here, relaying what i was told about 2 weeks ago. I dunno myself.
2000ssm6
Stihl User
Has this been proven? I remember reading about a gtg here, a 576 and a 441 owner ran both of 'em and they were too dam close to tell.....
tree md
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I've run 044's, 440's and now own a 441. I also own a 361. I have been in the tree industry for almost 2 decades now and if you are used to using the older Stihls the 441 does not seem to have the umph of the older 044's or 440's but they are a lot smoother with less vibration. They are a little heavier too but use a lot less gas. I love the 361 as well but it has had to be serviced more than my 441. The 441 is a rock solid saw and more than enough for any homeowner/firewood cutter. Mine is the crown jewel of my fleet of saws and has never let me down.
Here's a pic of it in action:
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Here's a pic of it in action:
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stihlboy
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yup ill tell ya even with a half dull chain i could lean on that 36'' and all it did was cut faster and now i bet it can run a 42''
seriously his saw had some balls! i was surprised with it being a strato and allI guess it depends on whether you want to mod or not. I don't, I run my saws stock. My 441 is only a month old, only three tanks of fuel so far [weather and schedule] but it runs like a champ. I'm at 8500 ft. above sea level, I don't notice any problems at all [considering I have only the three tanks thru it]. I am so far completely happy with it, nice weight for what I need to do and nice smooth operating, good on my wrists and elbows and fingers. Haven't run a 460 and they are less than $100 more but I've seen them for $60 more, little more power from what the spec's say but I'll stick with my 441 for smoothness.
windthrown
361 Junkie
Wow, you are the first high altitude guy that has not had a problem running the 441 that I have read about. Many posts here on AS with people with issues running the 441 over 6k ft. I have run one myself, though only ran it for a tank or two of gas. It was a smooth saw, but bulky. If you are used the the way that a 440 or a 460 runs, it is a different feel. I teetered on buying one last year and opted to get a second 361. I also have a 440 again to do bigger cutting with on a limited basis. I do not think that a 441 will outcut the 440. 0.1 HP is not enough of a difference to notice, and you can mod the 440 for a lot more gain if you want. The 441 is easier on you if you run one for more than a few hours at a time though. That is for sure.
That aside, I saw a lot of 441s returned to the several saw shops that I used to hang out at in central Oregon. Those shops had the 441 in stock overlapping the 440, and the 440 outsold it about five to one. Rather than buy the 441s when the 440 was gone, most logegrs went with the 460. So on the grand scheme of things, the 441 may be a dandy of a saw, but there is a lot of negative feedback about it from various users and die-hard StihlBillies out there. I also bought up some of the last 440s in the last days that they were available here and shipped them overseas and to Kalifornia for some friends. No one wanted a 441, they all wanted the 440. I got a lot of Stihl hats out of the deals, and the dealer in Eugene loves me every time I walk into his shop.
That aside, I saw a lot of 441s returned to the several saw shops that I used to hang out at in central Oregon. Those shops had the 441 in stock overlapping the 440, and the 440 outsold it about five to one. Rather than buy the 441s when the 440 was gone, most logegrs went with the 460. So on the grand scheme of things, the 441 may be a dandy of a saw, but there is a lot of negative feedback about it from various users and die-hard StihlBillies out there. I also bought up some of the last 440s in the last days that they were available here and shipped them overseas and to Kalifornia for some friends. No one wanted a 441, they all wanted the 440. I got a lot of Stihl hats out of the deals, and the dealer in Eugene loves me every time I walk into his shop.
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