42" bar on an 066?

[Backwood]

I just got a 42"GB bar recently, been running a 36" Oregon bar. The GB bar seems a lot less flimsy.

 

[BlueRider]

I have a 42" woodsman pro bar that I bought back in the mid 90's, same look and lettering style as the current woodland pro bars. It had beed a fery good bar for me with substantialy less flex that the cannon roller tip bar it replaced. It has also had less wear than the rollomatic bar on my 038M or even the newer oregon power match bar for my 038M.

An option to a $1900 880 would be a used 075. it will out cut an 066 and almost keep up with an 880 and cost less than a used 066.

 

[BIG JAKE]

Good info fellers on the bars. I'd try a GB but again the availability not reliable. The Woodland Pro bars I understand are made by Cannon and 170.00
a piece. I don't want flimsy or wear issues. If I have a job in a few weeks I'm leaning towards pulling the trigger on a WP bar. 075, hmmm. Parts availability? I heard they still made either 075 or 076 for other countries(south america) so parts are still available. Might be an option I don't need a purdy new saw just a good reliable hog I can rack up time on.

 

[BobL]

I have a 42" woodsman pro bar that I bought back in the mid 90's, same look and lettering style as the current woodland pro bars. It had beed a fery good bar for me with substantialy less flex that the cannon roller tip bar it replaced. It has also had less wear than the rollomatic bar on my 038M or even the newer oregon power match bar for my 038M.

An option to a $1900 880 would be a used 075. it will out cut an 066 and almost keep up with an 880 and cost less than a used 066.

I have only cut 3 slabs with the new 880 and it feels like it's cutting faster than my 076 but only timed cuts will tell what that difference really is. If everything else is equal it could come down to the rpm that each saw can hold in the cut. If that is so the 880 appears it can hold 15-20 % higher rpm in a 30" wide cuts in a relatively soft hardwood than the 076 - whether that translates into real cutting speed is yet to be determined.

The one thing I am really liking is to be able to refuel the 880 while it's on its side

 

[BIG JAKE]

I have only cut 3 slabs with the new 880 and it feels like it's cutting faster than my 076 but only timed cuts will tell what that difference really is. If everything else is equal it could come down to the rpm that each saw can hold in the cut. If that is so the 880 appears it can hold 15-20 % higher rpm in a 30" wide cuts in a relatively soft hardwood than the 076 - whether that translates into real cutting speed is yet to be determined.

The one thing I am really liking is to be able to refuel the 880 while it's on its side

Backing the saw out of the kerf after running out of gas and re-wedging to do so sounds like no fun. I have to do the same thing with the ripsaw no wedges at least. Which one has bigger tank capacity(goes farther)?

 

[BobL]

Backing the saw out of the kerf after running out of gas and re-wedging to do so sounds like no fun. I have to do the same thing with the ripsaw no wedges at least.

It sounds bad but on a 40" diameter log I would only probably do that for the middle 3 or 4 slabs, the rest would be done in one pass. If I have access to a forklift I will sometimes cut the big middle big slab at 4" and then split that one down the middle and mill resaw those as they are the true 1/4 sawn pieces from the log.

Which one has bigger tank capacity(goes farther)?

the 076 is 900 mL and the 880 is 1300 mL. The 880 uses more fuel but not the 40% more difference in the fuel tank size.

 

[BlueRider]

The 075 and 051 are esentialy the same saw with the size of the bore being the only difference. Some early 075's didn't have a manual oiler and 051's have never had a manual oiler but other than that the saws are the same with most of the parts being inter changeable. The cases are not interchangeable because the jug on the 051 is held on by 5mm bolts and the 075 has 6mm studs even though the rest of the case is esintialy the same. (I did convert an 051 to an 075 by drilling and retaping for the 6mm studs)

there are two different sizes of fuel tank available for the 075 one is 900ml and the other is 1200ml. I have run out of fuel mid cut and it is possable to refule without having to remove the saw. however you will not be able to fill the tanl to max capacity. Hard to say if the slower turning more fuel efficient 075 with a 100ml smaller tank will cut the same per tank as an 880, another test for Bob.(my guess is that the 880 will cut more per tank but not by a lot)

 

[BobL]

there are two different sizes of fuel tank available for the 075 one is 900ml and the other is 1200ml. I have run out of fuel mid cut and it is possable to refule without having to remove the saw. however you will not be able to fill the tanl to max capacity. Hard to say if the slower turning more fuel efficient 075 with a 100ml smaller tank will cut the same per tank as an 880, another test for Bob.(my guess is that the 880 will cut more per tank but not by a lot)

I just went and measured my 076 and it is the 1200mL - in that case I'd say they are going to come out pretty even.

 

[BIG JAKE]

The 075 and 051 are esentialy the same saw with the size of the bore being the only difference. Some early 075's didn't have a manual oiler and 051's have never had a manual oiler but other than that the saws are the same with most of the parts being inter changeable. The cases are not interchangeable because the jug on the 051 is held on by 5mm bolts and the 075 has 6mm studs even though the rest of the case is esintialy the same. (I did convert an 051 to an 075 by drilling and retaping for the 6mm studs)

there are two different sizes of fuel tank available for the 075 one is 900ml and the other is 1200ml. I have run out of fuel mid cut and it is possable to refule without having to remove the saw. however you will not be able to fill the tanl to max capacity. Hard to say if the slower turning more fuel efficient 075 with a 100ml smaller tank will cut the same per tank as an 880, another test for Bob.(my guess is that the 880 will cut more per tank but not by a lot)

I just went and measured my 076 and it is the 1200mL - in that case I'd say they are going to come out pretty even.

I'll have to file away this info(memory you know)-didn't know there were such differences. opcorn: Would've rep'd you Bob for measuring that but out of bullets-thks for taking the time. thks blue good to have you fellers around

 

[BIG JAKE]

The 075 and 051 are esentialy the same saw with the size of the bore being the only difference. Some early 075's didn't have a manual oiler and 051's have never had a manual oiler but other than that the saws are the same with most of the parts being inter changeable. The cases are not interchangeable because the jug on the 051 is held on by 5mm bolts and the 075 has 6mm studs even though the rest of the case is esintialy the same. (I did convert an 051 to an 075 by drilling and retaping for the 6mm studs)

there are two different sizes of fuel tank available for the 075 one is 900ml and the other is 1200ml. I have run out of fuel mid cut and it is possable to refule without having to remove the saw. however you will not be able to fill the tanl to max capacity. Hard to say if the slower turning more fuel efficient 075 with a 100ml smaller tank will cut the same per tank as an 880, another test for Bob.(my guess is that the 880 will cut more per tank but not by a lot)

What are the differences between the 075 and 076 as far as parts go? Any preference between the two for milling?

 

[BlueRider]

What are the differences between the 075 and 076 as far as parts go? Any preference between the two for milling?

Some of the early 075's may not have a manual oiler but all of the later 075's and all 076's have manual oilers.

the TS760, which is the cut off saw version of the 076 had a taller carb block with a larger intake port as well as an exhaust with a larger port. When I was ordering some parts it was a bit cconfusing but there were two different carb bloks available for the 076 and possibly only one for the 075. the person who would know is harrygrey382, he is from UK and hangs around here and on the chainsaw forum. I believe he has ipl's for the 051/075/076 and some manuals to boot.

 

[woodsrunner]

BlueRider,
can the powerhead from a ts760 be converted to use as a milling powerhead? (If you could figure out how to get around the oiler issue.)

Scott

 

[BIG JAKE]

Some of the early 075's may not have a manual oiler but all of the later 075's and all 076's have manual oilers.

the TS760, which is the cut off saw version of the 076 had a taller carb block with a larger intake port as well as an exhaust with a larger port. When I was ordering some parts it was a bit cconfusing but there were two different carb bloks available for the 076 and possibly only one for the 075. the person who would know is harrygrey382, he is from UK and hangs around here and on the chainsaw forum. I believe he has ipl's for the 051/075/076 and some manuals to boot.

Having never worked on any of those saws I don't know a thing. An 076 should be able to find one reasonable since the only thing they're good for is milling. I'll ask Harry.

BlueRider,
can the powerhead from a ts760 be converted to use as a milling powerhead? (If you could figure out how to get around the oiler issue.)

Scott

Scott-there are some NOS 076 crankcase assy's on ebay right now with no hits. Might be able to build one if you have a ts-would need to round up oilers, etc. though.

 

[BlueRider]

BlueRider,
can the powerhead from a ts760 be converted to use as a milling powerhead? (If you could figure out how to get around the oiler issue.)

Scott

Most Ts760's were used to cut concrete, a very dusty job. The saws were equiped from the factory with a large tripple air filtration system. Many of the type of emloyees who used these saws would not know the proper maintainance of these saws, I have seen more than one with the airfilter replaced by a N95 dust mask. What I am trying to say is that used Ts760's tend to be toast with very few usable parts.

A good condition Ts760 could be converted to a milling saw. You would need all the parts for the oil pickup/oil pump including the oil cap and manual oiler parts if you want a manual oiler. You will also need a clutch drum and pin sprocket and a side cover along with some log spikes. The muffler on the Ts760 does not have a spark arrester so that will also need to be addressed.

I picked up a Ts760 for a parts saw and used the carb block, muffler and the air box in an 051 to 075 conversion I did. I used the case from the 051 because the one on the Ts760 had concrete dust coating the inside and the bearings were toast. I was able to rebuild the carb to have it on hand as a spare but that is about it. The coil is different and wont fit on my 051 due to the wire coming out the side rather than the top and creating a clearance issue with the tank/case.

 

[BIG JAKE]

Most Ts760's were used to cut concrete, a very dusty job. The saws were equiped from the factory with a large tripple air filtration system. Many of the type of emloyees who used these saws would not know the proper maintainance of these saws, I have seen more than one with the airfilter replaced by a N95 dust mask. What I am trying to say is that used Ts760's tend to be toast with very few usable parts.

A good condition Ts760 could be converted to a milling saw. You would need all the parts for the oil pickup/oil pump including the oil cap and manual oiler parts if you want a manual oiler. You will also need a clutch drum and pin sprocket and a side cover along with some log spikes. The muffler on the Ts760 does not have a spark arrester so that will also need to be addressed.

I picked up a Ts760 for a parts saw and used the carb block, muffler and the air box in an 051 to 075 conversion I did. I used the case from the 051 because the one on the Ts760 had concrete dust coating the inside and the bearings were toast. I was able to rebuild the carb to have it on hand as a spare but that is about it. The coil is different and wont fit on my 051 due to the wire coming out the side rather than the top and creating a clearance issue with the tank/case.

Pretty handy guy there BR. I was up milling in the mountains yesterday and used the Ripsaw to mill some douglas fir. I had to mill it into cants first with the 066. At 92CC it did really well on 18" logs. It was slow going so I didn't get to the big 36" logs. If I put a big bore kit on my 066 that would make it 100CC-I wonder how that setup would compare to the 076/880's? I had as much fun slabbing with the chainsaw mill as I did with the Ripsaw(surprised me). In otherwords I'm hooked-hard work but lots of fun.

 

[woodsrunner]

Thanks for the comments BlueRider.

Scott

 

[Brmorgan]

Most Ts760's were used to cut concrete, a very dusty job. The saws were equiped from the factory with a large tripple air filtration system. Many of the type of emloyees who used these saws would not know the proper maintainance of these saws, I have seen more than one with the airfilter replaced by a N95 dust mask. What I am trying to say is that used Ts760's tend to be toast with very few usable parts.

A good condition Ts760 could be converted to a milling saw. You would need all the parts for the oil pickup/oil pump including the oil cap and manual oiler parts if you want a manual oiler. You will also need a clutch drum and pin sprocket and a side cover along with some log spikes. The muffler on the Ts760 does not have a spark arrester so that will also need to be addressed.

I picked up a Ts760 for a parts saw and used the carb block, muffler and the air box in an 051 to 075 conversion I did. I used the case from the 051 because the one on the Ts760 had concrete dust coating the inside and the bearings were toast. I was able to rebuild the carb to have it on hand as a spare but that is about it. The coil is different and wont fit on my 051 due to the wire coming out the side rather than the top and creating a clearance issue with the tank/case.

Good to know, I may have a line on a very affordable "older" TS760, waiting to see pictures to know if it's worth it.

 

[BlueRider]

I forgot to mention that many Ts760's used for concrete have an atachement for a water hose to control the dust/cool the blade. The result is that after the saw is used up many of the bolts are frozen up pretty tight. When looking at one of these saws from pics figure that only half of what looks good will actually be usable and you won't get burned.

 

[Brmorgan]

Well, after looking into it more closely, it appears it's impossible since the TS760's crankcase (at least the clutch side half) is totally different than the 076 and cannot accommodate the oiler mechanism. Something about the oil reservoir space being used to control exhaust gases to prevent a spark igniting unburned fuel in the exhaust. I'd still like to see one of each side-by-side, but I trust the experience of those who told me that.

 

[ShoerFast]

Tried to order a GB titanium last year-stayed on backorder for about 3 months so I gave up. I don't believe Baileys sells them anymore. Trouble with the Stihl bars is you can't order them with a 3/8'' nose at 42" otherwise I would have no problem with adapter. Bad move on Stihl's part they are losing money there.

It's my bet that Stihl is staying well into a safety margin here.

Product Liability is the reason they wont put a 3/8th nose on a 42" bar?

As it would seem to have a lot higher chance of shooting a chunk of chain after brakeing one.