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First number of the serial number tells you where a Stihl was assembled.
1 = Germany
2 = USA
3 = Brazil

Letters before the serial number indicate manufacturing data (eg extra checks for quality control)
Don't know any others or whether there is now a code for China.
However regardless of where the saw was assembled the parts could have come from anywhere.
 
I spent a few hours on this and so far only have a few traces of information.

Stihl does have a plant in China, that is well known.

However, the first overseas plant for Stihl was in Brazil, opened in 1973. They maintained Germain supervisors to ensure the same quality was ensured/guaranteed.

Chain production was moved to Switzerland in 1974, and still is there to this day. In fact some of the best chains in the world come from the Switzerland plant owned and run by Stihl.

Production in the U.S. began in 1974. However, parts for the saws are not U.S. made, or at least all of them. If I understand correctly many of the parts have come from other plants, many from Brazil.

Production in the Qingdao, China plant began in 2006. However, as in Brazil, German management run the plant and ensure that German quality is maintained.

Now, missing from above, in 1992 Stihl purchased 100% of Viking GmbH, an Austrian maker of lawn and garden power equipment. Apparently they are making several Viking products in the China plant as well.

While historically China has made inferior products, it was in part because the U.S. companies who set up the plants did not care, and only wanted the profit margin. China, as well as any other country for that matter, can be trained to perform a quality job and can in fact produce it. The biggest factor here really is the owner of the plant, their standards and how firm they are in sticking to what they believe or in their actual motives and desires.

I have many Stihl's, made in Germany and the U.S. Only one of them has given me any trouble at all.. zero issues on the rest. The one that has given me the trouble is the little 170, it has had 3 carburetors in 4 months of life. To this day, has not yet had 1 full hour of use on it.. I am somewhat less than impressed with the track record of this little saw.. if its big brothers were not behaving as well as they are I would frankly be very ticked at Stihl. The local dealer has however treated me very well.

While the other thread has had some serious China bashing.. realistically it is the owner of the company for the most part that is responsible for the quality. We can only really blame or our North American companies, and our own North American greed for the quality at the stores. And we can only blame the consumers for buying the crap.. The Japanese companies used to build somewhat inferior products up until the mid to late 1970's, some beyond that. They did however learn how to make a quality product (learned it quite ironically from a couple of Americans). They mastered the art.. and now are considered among the world leaders in quality.

Frankly, North America did not build quality either.. but were more interested in profit again. Look at our auto industry. Used to be full of rust.. lots of maintenance.. etc.. the cars produced today are far superior to those of 30 years ago, but ONLY because of foreign competition. Only after loosing large chunks of the market did the companies finally change.
We bash the foreign companies, but frankly it is our own fault!!

Having said that I still prefer to buy North American goods! :)

Back to the thread. Stihl historically has maintained the highest level of quality in their foreign plants, and so far I am not sure there is too much to worry about from a quality perspective. Hopefully that lasts and they are not overcome by greed.
 
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My feeling is this: China will get its feet wet in the World Economy, get spanked for lousy product, and shape up or ship out, like their neighbors. The problem here isn't China or Chinese parts & manufactures, but rather Chinese expectations of what the Market Will Bear. Let's not buy crap. That way, it won't be economical to produce crap. In time, China will be just another country in the global market, forced to compete as equals against other nations. Their standards will be forced to rise if they want to feed their People.

Exactly.
 
I'd like to chime in here, if I could.

Until about 1965, Japanese products were pretty much universally regarded as inferior. However, a few companies - Sony, Toyota, etc -- built products of good enough quality that even the most stolid of "Buy American" consumers condescended to give these makes a try. Today, these manufacturers are household names. They are subject to the same adulation and criticism as domestic manufacturers, because they have been accepted as equals in the market.

China has tried very, very hard for several centuries to remain isolated from the West. Only recently have they accept Capitalism as a Fact Of Life. Let's not forget that S. Korea (home of Samsung, Hyundai, etc) were themselves thought of as a poor source of supplies until just a few years ago.

My feeling is this: China will get its feet wet in the World Economy, get spanked for lousy product, and shape up or ship out, like their neighbors. The problem here isn't China or Chinese parts & manufactures, but rather Chinese expectations of what the Market Will Bear. Let's not buy crap. That way, it won't be economical to produce crap. In time, China will be just another country in the global market, forced to compete as equals against other nations. Their standards will be forced to rise if they want to feed their People.

En Fin: ChiCom garbage will lead to its own extinction.

Good thoughts. I can go back even further and tell you if it said "made in Japan" it was crap. Can't say that know. Hopefully Chineese products will do likewise because they aren't going anywhere, anytime soon.
 
Stihl makes a lot of parts in Va. Beach now. They now make bars there. I guess the legal part requires them to say assembled now instead of made, since things like ignitions and carburetors are not made here or by Stihl.
 
There will always be people who will buy junk, because of price coupled with ignorance. Mostly they don't need the product to make a living or prevent their death.
I saw a POW veteran plate on a Hyundai at the post office yesterday, guess that sums it up.
Somewhere I read "The bitterness of poor quality will far outlast the sweetness of low price"... I think this thing is hanging in my tractor/saw dealers showroom.(Stihl now, was Echo)
 
Walmart has trained us well. They move into a town and sell products for less and condition us to think it is all about the price and sale. Pretty soon everyone with the mom and pop stores can not make it and go out of business. It slowly destroys a comunity from the inside out.

We begin to become accustomed to the fact products do not last as long. You do not fix something and because it was so cheap you buy another one when that one breaks. Now you have bought three toasters at 10.00 instead of one at 20.00

The employees are low paid, they have no stake in the sale and could care less if you buy or not because it does not effect their pay check. Walmart realizes this and makes them wear signs that say "Welcome to walmart can I help you." Something like that.

We are no longer a society based community. We are a society of short term thinkers.

Gas prices go up and we can not cut back much on fuel because we have to get to work. Most of us are living right at our finical means we have to cut back somewhere. We cut back on consumer goods. This drops our fragile economy and there is less spending in the US. That causes job cut backs because We can not compete with a cheaper product made somewhere else. It is kind of funny they can make something in China cheaper and ship it all the way across the ocean and in some cases across the US to us and it is can still be sold cheaper than we can make it. :cry:
 
Justsaws

If you look at the two threads this one is not getting the neg feed back that the dolmar thread is.
 
Justsaws

If you look at the two threads this one is not getting the neg feed back that the dolmar thread is.

I have looked and I do not see what you see. The difference that I see is that there are a bunch of older threads where Stihl got it's thrashing for it's Chinese plant and the folks that got upset about it have had well over 3 years to vent and are largely out of steam. If you read those threads you will read some Dolmar dealers chime in a brag about Dolmars being built only in Germany.

"Whoops", as a Dolmar sponsor might say.

I will bash Stihl for you in this thread as token offering of goodwill.

Stihl has a plant in China because they could not get the Japanese to lower their standards of manufacturing enough on the home owner grade saws.
 
You might be right I have not done a search to see if the stihls or huskies were bashed in the past or not. Thank You for bringing that valid point up!:)
 
You might be right I have not done a search to see if the stihls or huskies were bashed in the past or not. Thank You for bringing that valid point up!:)

It is all good.

However, I did forget to bash Husqvarna as well, so here it goes.

Husqvarna would have went Chinese sooner but they had to go to the Japanese first to learn how to make a modern saw engine.
 
No, it does not say where it was made!

"manufactured by stihl inc., usa. with domestic and foreign components"

it says that it was made "BY" stihl inc.,usa... a company, not a place.

Manufactured = made - and Chinese made Zama carbs are common with all major brands (but not on all models).
 
Sure, I'd like to not buy product made in China either, but the bottom line is that a good majority of products have parts that are manufactured in China, even if they are not assembled there entirely. I think it is a part of the global economy these days, everyone is trying to make the best product they can for the least amount of money.

I don't think it's healthy for America, but in the big picture it seems that there's more politics to getting China involved with world trade so that they will change over time and become more like the rest of the free trade world. They are starting to change and I saw recently where they are taking some steps to improve the environmental problems they have, and they are certainly becoming more westernized...but it seems slow...

As consumers we can't dictate all the time, it would be impossible for us to live in the current world. Sure, I like to buy American when I can, don't get me wrong, maybe I'm getting soft because of how hard it has become...even product I buy from Korea or Taiwan, often have Chinese parts in them, as does European products...it's getting to the point that we can't hardly escape it...:(

All it shows is that they are jumping on the environmental bandwagon to look good. They are dedicated to making money at all costs! They dont care one bit about the environment. They will never sign any global environmental treaties like the one that was proposed in copenhagen. It would allow to much oversight into thier own political controls.Their economy is still some what loosely centrally controled. The RED chinese central government, unlike the RED obama regime would sign right now(even though the congress would have to ratify it and they would) . The chinese would never cede any controls to the UN.

The so called global climate change treaty is a money transfer scheme that rapes the producers of wealth and gives it to third world nations that can't get their poop togather. Follow the money trail and who gets wealthy in the process. Old boy "Gore-Bot" is going to get filthy rich if cap and trade goes through or the global climate change treaty. I DO NOT feel like subsidizing corrupt third world nations because leftist politicians feel that everything that has gone wrong in this world is the USA's fault.
 
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it just makes me mad that it dosen't say where it was made. I don't think that's too much to ask of Stihl!

To clarify for you.
The Chinese market has grown tremendously for STIHL. Most of the units that they sell in the China market are small homeowner machines. Since the market has grown, they felt a need to open a plant there in order to service not only China but Russia. While it is true that some units will come here from there, quality will not be compromised like it has at other manufacturers who have moved their companies there just to save a dollar.
 
Be careful :)

One could ask if that is why they also have a plant in Brazil and the U.S.?

They build some classic commercial grade saws in Brazil.

Nobody else wanted to build the orange and grayish off white Poulans. :monkey:

The other countries stood at their various shores and yelled
"Not in my country"
followed shortly thereafter by
"We got your farfugnugget right here, buddy!".

:hmm3grin2orange:
 
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