Fuel?

[Roanoker494]

Okay. I am sitting here at a local bar drinking more than any one man should be able to handle. Unfortunetly that means you fine fellers get to "listen" to my drunken ramblins. Coleman camping fuel as gas for a saw? Mixed with a proper ratio of 2 stroke oil of course. I remember my father using Ammoco high test fuel in his coleman lanterns beacuse it was a "clear fuel". Does that make cloeman fuel just a extermely well filter automotive gasoline? Could this be a very high quailty 2 stroke fuel? Would be a expensive options at $10 a gallon at the local wally world. But if it saves a $1000 saw from a top end rebuilt, what might that be worth to someone? Personally, I do not do a lot of cutting so $10 a gallon would not hit me as hard as some of ya`ll who cut every day. Give me some thoughts before I get drunk enough to try it and smear a good saw all over the woods.

 

[1steve]

simply no.......coleman fuel im guessing has only 50-55 octane rating and no additives found if regular pump gas.

 

[ckelp]

i thought the Coleman camping fuel was kerosene..

also, if you wanna here about drunk rabbleings how about running diesel in a high compression 2 stroke gas burner..

 

[Bob Wright]

i thought the Coleman camping fuel was kerosene..

I thinks its really a cut of Napatha or white gas which is the cut right above Kerosene in a Crude Fractinator in a refinery...Bob

 

[Roanoker494]

I do believe that coleman fuel is more like a gasoline than diesel. But I guess that was my main question. What is the octane rating of coleman fuel? Like I had said before, I know my father had used regular high test Ammoco fuel in coleman laterns and stoves. How close was my dad to blowing both our heads off? Love him anyway cause he is still my dad.

 

[smilin possum]

Skip the Coleman and run AV fuel, hey it makes airplanes fly don't it.

 

[Hunt'n'photos]

Dont use it! As already stated it has a very low octane rating. Burns clean but not good for any engine.

 

[Roanoker494]

i thought the Coleman camping fuel was kerosene..

also, if you wanna here about drunk rabbleings how about running diesel in a high compression 2 stroke gas burner..

Never did it in a saw but I did see it in a Mini Van twice. The second time the boy came into the store and said "the nozzle would not fit in my gas tank". should have been followed with a "derrrr.... he's my sign". If the nozzle don't fit don't, then don't use it dummy....!!! I guess some folks don't know that diesel nozzles are not the same size as gasoline nozzles, just to try and keep dummy's from pumping diesel into their gasoline tanks. MAN, Killians irish red is going down to smooth tonight.

 

[Roanoker494]

Never did it in a saw but I did see it in a Mini Van twice. The second time the boy came into the store and said "the nozzle would not fit in my gas tank". should have been followed with a "derrrr.... he's my sign". If the nozzle don't fit don't, then don't use it dummy....!!! I guess some folks don't know that diesel nozzles are not the same size as gasoline nozzles, just to try and keep dummy's from pumping diesel into their gasoline tanks. MAN, Killians irish red is going down to smooth tonight.

By time way, the first time was a armored bank transfer company, they should have known better. He did not even notice that the gas gauge stated "unleaded gasoline". Imagine if your job was to notice small things and you missed some thing that.

 

[bejay]

if you do a search it has been brought up many times and from what ive read the few who have used it havent had any problems using camp fuel but its more popular in the radio controlled 2 stroke engines. not sure why it works if the octane rating is so low though, my guess it may be the exhuast gasses left in the cylinder wich should increase the octane rating when mixed with incoming charge, have also heard the high rpm of the 2 strokes may play a role in it not detonating itself to death.
while it may have some benefits of storing well and burning cleaner and leaving less deposits, pump gas would have to get alot worse before I would be trying camp fuel at 10 bucks a gallon.

 

[Roanoker494]

if you do a search it has been brought up many times and from what ive read the few who have used it havent had any problems using camp fuel but its more popular in the radio controlled 2 stroke engines. not sure why it works if the octane rating is so low though, my guess it may be the exhuast gasses left in the cylinder wich should increase the octane rating when mixed with incoming charge, have also heard the high rpm of the 2 strokes may play a role in it not detonating itself to death.
while it may have some benefits of storing well and burning cleaner and leaving less deposits, pump gas would have to get alot worse before I would be trying camp fuel at 10 bucks a gallon.

I will have to agree with you now that I have thought it over. Would be a nice back-up if you were to already be camping and happened to need to use a chainsaw, or a emergency situation.

 

[Bob Wright]

Would be a nice back-up if you were to already be camping and happened to need to use a chainsaw, or a emergency situation.

Maybe keep a few quarts of that pre mixed fuel from Sears/K Mart that should last a long time...

 

[JimM]

I know for a fact back in 86 or so my drunken boss drove his new Corvette home late one night using a couple gallons of Coleman fuel. It didn't run quite right. Must not have hurt it much as he kept it for a couple years after.

 

[eyolf]

The has been some chatter now and then about it, and one night when I was sippin' Jack I decided to check it out for meself.

Since nobody is concerned about octane ratiing in thier coleman lanterns and camp stoves, it isn't controlled or published, but I did find a post about this from someone who had worked in a refinerey that sold base product to Coleman years ago...octane could be as low as 55, as high as 70, dependant on what exactly was in the stuff.

Coleman is actually pretty stringent about quality; they want a fairly narrow range of individual molecules and isomers for clean burning, and very very little ring-chain (benzene) ones...they burn smoky and most are carcinogenic. Cook with that? Benzene ring molecules are noted for high octane...Pure Toluene is around 115.

Coleman fuel also contains a (usually green) dye (I remember another brand as a kid that was blue) and a couple of compounds to retard polymerization and oxidation...Coleman fuel will "keep" longer than gas. Because Coleman fuel is mostly short, straight-chained monomers (think pentane, hexane, and maybe septane) with little branched-chained isomers, its heat of vaporization is low and the fire lights easy. This is cool if you're trying to milk a little more life out of a tired old warhorse. There's no need to worry about most other additives (phosporus or mettalic top end lubes are already IN two-stroke oils)

I tried it in a green weedeater that only has about 90lbs of compression: a performance increase, and it starts very well. Runs hot though...can feel it with the motor next to your hip. I also tried it in an old Techumseh ice auger: same story; easy starting at 10 below. I also put a little in a Briggs pushmower...flathead engines do not control detonation well, and you could hear it knocking and pinging when cutting heavy grass.

So I had a fun little experiment. But if I'd had to go to the hardwar store especially to get a gallon or two of the stuff I might have balked...its almost $9 a gallon in my little burg. IF long storage life was a concern, I'd look around for some of the other products like 40:fuel, or even some of the race-gas products. In a pinch you could take two gallons of Coleman, 1 gallon of Toluene from the paint store and have around 88 octane; mix a full-synth two stroke oil at 160:1 for 4-strokes, 40:1 for two (approximates the additive package in better commercial gas)

It would last 5 years, but cost $13/gallon. Plus, if you wanted to buy very much you'd have to register with the FBI.

 

[drkptt]

Coleman is actually pretty stringent about quality; they want a fairly narrow range of individual molecules and isomers for clean burning, and very very little ring-chain (benzene) ones...they burn smoky and most are carcinogenic. Cook with that? Benzene ring molecules are noted for high octane...Pure Toluene is around 115.

Most Coleman stoves today run on Coleman fuel or unleaded gasoline, so they can't be too concerned about the carbon chains you're cooking with. The dual-fuel stoves are about $10 more than the Coleman-fuel-only stoves; I wonder if they are physically different or they're just making up for the loss in fuel sales.

 

[eyolf]

I think there's a difference in the generators of the all-fuel lamps. They are a little larger and the curved part at the top looks different. Is that to accomodate the fuel, or just a newer design that all have?

I don't know. I have 3 or 4 old ones and one new in the camper. I use Coleman fuel in all of them (that's where the coleman fuel for my experiment came from, and the $9/gallon came from replacing what I'd used. Won't be repeating.

 

[abikerboy]

I think there's a difference in the generators of the all-fuel lamps. They are a little larger and the curved part at the top looks different. Is that to accomodate the fuel, or just a newer design that all have?

I don't know. I have 3 or 4 old ones and one new in the camper. I use Coleman fuel in all of them (that's where the coleman fuel for my experiment came from, and the $9/gallon came from replacing what I'd used. Won't be repeating.

Not sure what the difference is between the dual fuel and the regular Coleman products is, but years ago when I still had hair, my parents never used coleman fuel. We would stop at a gas station, and fill up an old milk bottle with unleaded gas. We used the old glass milk bottles, and I seem to remember something about the gas being clear, not the amber looking stuff. I did fill the gas tank on a push mower with Coleman fuel one time. It ran like a scalded chicken, but when it got good and hot, it shut down. I was so hot that you couldn't even pull the starter rope. After sitting for the rest of the afternoon, it started well and ran fine. Wasn't any Coleman fuel in it after this! On this note though, I was always left with the understanding that Coleman fuel was naptha that had been cut down with something else. Would be a good reason to e-mail someone though. If and when I get a response, I'll post it here.

 

[CountryBoy19]

Most Coleman stoves today run on Coleman fuel or unleaded gasoline, so they can't be too concerned about the carbon chains you're cooking with. The dual-fuel stoves are about $10 more than the Coleman-fuel-only stoves; I wonder if they are physically different or they're just making up for the loss in fuel sales.

Actually, Coleman tells you that using unleaded gasoline in dual-fuel lanterns/stoves will shorten the generator life because of the build-up from those carbon chains. So they are concerned, I think they've just designed generators that can handle the build-up better.

 

[056kid]

Okay. I am sitting here at a local bar drinking more than any one man should be able to handle. Unfortunetly that means you fine fellers get to "listen" to my drunken ramblins. Coleman camping fuel as gas for a saw? Mixed with a proper ratio of 2 stroke oil of course. I remember my father using Ammoco high test fuel in his coleman lanterns beacuse it was a "clear fuel". Does that make cloeman fuel just a extermely well filter automotive gasoline? Could this be a very high quailty 2 stroke fuel? Would be a expensive options at $10 a gallon at the local wally world. But if it saves a $1000 saw from a top end rebuilt, what might that be worth to someone? Personally, I do not do a lot of cutting so $10 a gallon would not hit me as hard as some of ya`ll who cut every day. Give me some thoughts before I get drunk enough to try it and smear a good saw all over the woods.

You had better watch those Roanoke cops.

You can go see where I cut over 100 acres of timber on bent mountain near Tanglewood mall. . .

As for Colmen fuel for saw gas goes, try it if you got a saw that you are willing to say bye bye to. . . im pretty sure its just kerosene. . .

 

[Bob Wright]

I thinks its really a cut of Napatha or white gas which is the cut right above Kerosene in a Crude Fractinator in a refinery...Bob

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naphtha