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View attachment 202391View attachment 202392hello from the uk,some burner that i must say 40hours????????
i have a multifuel stove made by well known company called morso,its the squirrell model,and obviously we dont get as cols as yaaaal out in the states but i can leave my stove at 5-30 am and go work shut down the stove and come back around 7-30pm and ittll still be ticking nice,i have had it smoulder over 24hrs easily on some nice ash/hawthorne,like others say though on here 40 hrs is shocking on softwood
 
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You can build a better stove than you can buy. 40 hr burn time wow thats great. I like my 3 hr burn and heat for 48-72 hours. gotta burn it hot and save all those btus for later. built in my shop for my shop. One drawback, It's rather huge, 2000 lbs empty ,and 12 ft. long not for the average living room, unless you go for the wow factor. I've built alot of stoves over the years, this is by far the ultimate. cool looking to IMHO! should have built it 40 yrs ago. no smoke either when you burn at 2000* or above.


Thats it for now , Burn Smart! ;)

I would like to know more about this stove. How do you control the heat that thing puts off in that 48-72 hours? I would love to see pictures of it, and describe the way it stores the btu's. I would assume mass, but how do you keep the btu's from going up the chimney during the burn?
 
Yea forget burn time if you can store the heat, sounds like thermal mass. I would love a big masonry stove but you just about have to build your house around it.
 
You can build a free standing masonry structure next to a standard stove, but you still need a floor that can support it. The masonry is heated by the radiant heat from the stove. It is not necessary to have the stove burn low if you can store the heat so that things do not cool off immediately when the fire burns down.
 
If you want thermal mass, try this

Product Line - Fireplaces

I saw one in a show room that had to weight well over 20,000 Lbs. This thing was huge and the floor had to be re-inforced. Had a pizza oven, a wood standard oven and a fireplace all built in the unit.

You also must be reasonably wealthy to own one.

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I have a Pacific Energy Spectrom we do go to work 5 days a week and are gone 10 hours during the day. I fill the stove before we leave in the morning and damper it down, there are still coals when I get home and I fill it again and let it rip for a while. The house is usually down to about 60° when I get home, I'm talking mid winter. I'm sure my stove does not hold nearly the amount the King does, but am I really using that much more wood? My stove does not hold much but I can have my house back up in the 70's within a hour. If I win the lottery I might consider spending $2,000+ on a king but I think I would go to a wood furnace for that much money. The stove came with the house when we bought it last year and does the job. I'm not doubting the BK is a good stove but just because it holds 3 times as much wood as mine doesn't automatically mean it burns that much less wood.

Coldfront looks like a nice stove and I had looked at that manufacturer but their other line of products, the Alderlea T6. I liked the looks and some options it had on it like the neat built in cooking area.
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Your stove is a good stove, no doubt, and it came with the house you bought, so you didn't have the option of choosing. I would run it and be happy same as you are instead of changing out stoves. Well maybe I would, LOL. What this thread was about was some stove's on the market say they will burn 10-14 hours on a full load, only to have the person buy the stove, and find 6 hours is the best it will do on low or less. This from a stove costing around 1000 bucks or more. I have found Blaze King to be honest and true in their manufacturer claims as compared to real life output and usage of their stove. As you look at many manufactures claims of btu's they will say its 100,000btu stove and yet fail to mention that's only when you are constantly feeding the stove tiny pieces of oak, like an old train engineer used to shovel coal to the steam engine. Not real world output with lower btu wood many have to burn and not babysitting the stove all day. In EPA testing most all stoves only produce about 50,000btu's max. Yes a blaze king is expensive, but not too bad when most can use it exclusively for heating thus cutting out the propane, natural gas, fuel oil or electric guys. At over 2000 bucks its twice as much money as some stoves, although think of the savings over a 20-50 year or longer run time especially for someone who cannot, or chooses not to cut their own wood. Here wood is $140 per cord, now if you can cut your wood usage in half, imagine the savings compounding over time. It will take me two years, this being the second, to fully be repaid for the cost of stove and installation from the savings of propane not being used. Actually this year the propane tank is going goodbye! There is a down side to a cat and that is does eventually need the occasional cleaning, plus every six to ten years replaced at a little over a hundred bucks. I also thought about a wood furnace but the fact that you need electricity to use it, or some sort of long term backup, like solar power, or huge fuel storage and a generator, makes it a bad choice for a worst case heat source. I do not trust the power grid very far these days seems its over worked and all it takes is a rolling blackout or random storm to render you without electric for days maybe months as many people have found out across the country.

Perhaps this will help explain better than I am able to.
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Another good video I found showing the cat glowing and burning the fumes given off from the wood on secondary burn, notice the fire starts up high then rolls downward. The noisy background is kind of annoying and I muted it
[video=youtube;oodVrxoUZKY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oodVrxoUZKY&NR=1[/video]
 
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If you were to take an educated guess...What thermostat setting is the stove on the secondary burn video set at? I am considering one of these and trying to learn as much as possible about them.
 
Seems like BK customers are pretty emotionally attached to their decision to buy stove. Must take a lotta love to spend 2-4X as much for a stove. But marketing guys know everything is a "benefit" from some point of view so here's the "benefit" list I made for my non cat stove:

1) Low initial cost: $499. Englander reburner stove left over at HD from previous year right before current year's shipment of stoves came in. Similar size BK stove was near $2K.

2) In stock and viewable: No waiting, ordering, confusing options, salesmen to argue with, etc. WYSIWYG.

3) Low maintenance: No cat to replace when it expires.

4) Relatively fixed cost: From 20+ years in automotive repair, prices for platinum and palladium, main ingredients in cat, always on the rise. Prices for a cat for a Mercedes Diesel in our shop recently was $2500 our cost. Yikes!!! Spare ceramic plate for reburner stove is currently under $5o. Less than a tank of fuel for my car. Could buy it now and keep it for years until needed.

5) No worries about future parts availability: Wood stove industry is small. What happens when bigger markets need cat ingredients more? Not an issue with reburner.

6) Proper stove loading plus understanding reburn provides acceptable output results: Stack temps 20" above stove low enough that it took two years to burn stickers off new single wall stove pipe. Only condensate which requires attention throughout year is at spark arrester / screen at top of chimney. Low stack temps + low condensate / creosote implies good efficiency in burner.

7) Stove needs and mother nature timed well: Excalibur... I don't know your age but for me, refusing to get up at night is not an option. I'm up dang near every night bet. 1 and 2 am. Throwing a couple of logs in the stove while I'm up is no big deal.

Oh, and with coals buried in ashes and air inlet fully damped I can find glowing embers 8 hrs after wood is loaded. Does that count as "8hr burn time?"

It's interesting to think that BK may be utilizing a bad or less efficent burner as a primary source of fuel for the cat, and relying on the cat as the real heat producer. Novel and practical but I believe that burning fuel outside the combustion chamber in order to clean up emissions just illustrates the chamber's shortcomings. Reburners can combust more fuel in the firebox with no "add ons" for emissions so I favor that technology.
 
If you were to take an educated guess...What thermostat setting is the stove on the secondary burn video set at? I am considering one of these and trying to learn as much as possible about them.

Too answer your question the stove was burning fairly hot due to the cat glowing. The person who had shot the video had the stove on fairly high then turned it down, the result is what you see in the video. Mine does the same thing after I turn it down and will last between 30 min to an hour or more producing flames burning from top to bottom like in video. This video was just a good way of showing how much gas vapor from the wood excapes a normal not cat stove unburned instead of being used to heat your home. You will usually only see the flames coming from the top after you turn it down and not durning normal burning.

I filled mine with cottonwood yesterday about 3/4 full at 2pm ran it on high 45 min then turned it down and went to work. I came home at 12:20AM lastnight and stove was still heating just fine. I ran it on high two hours when I got home then turned it down. The house was plenty warm 77 I just had a chill from working outside all day. Now today at about 4:30PM the cat finally went from active to inactive. The reading on top of the stove top at low was around 300 degrees with my blue point infared gun. I had the thermostat set on 2 instead of low which is 1.

Now to answer someone else's question no I do not get up in the middle of the night and working for the railroad I am usually gone for 10 hours, now if I get forced over I will be gone 14 hours. No I do not count a red coal or two in deep ashes 8 hrs later as burn time. I will have 3-4inch coals in deep ashes a lot of the time over a week after I had the fire go out. I Learned that the hard way funny story, well the gf thought so anyway, but for another time. Burn time to me is when the cat is reading in the active stage. I do not include the residual heat the stove gives off or coals as burning. Yes there are down sides to having a cat and I was concerned a little when I purchased the stove however the cat is warrantied for 6 years. Also after burning not cat stoves all my life I will never go back to the old dragons of yesterday. BK is very expensive true but over the life of a stove being probably 50+ years its not that bad. If I ever move the stove comes with me!
 
This video was just a good way of showing how much gas vapor from the wood excapes a normal not cat stove unburned instead of being used to heat your home.

Here is a video of our EPA Woodfurnace. This represents almost any Non-Cat EPA units. As you can see, theres nothing thats unburnt. The damper was open in the video and then shown closed. This is just showing whether its a Cat or Non, if its epa certified its a clean burner.

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Well I am not sure about other stoves but you cannot see the gas fumes given off by the wood in my stove until it gets ignighted by the cat the you see the downward flames. As you can see in the video you don't see the wood fumes through the glass but they are there. As stated an EPA rated stove funace will be cleaner burning than a non rated one, however some are better than others as in anything so find the one that meets your needs.
 
Excal. you must be very young if you are looking for 50 years out of your stove?? I also get up at least twice in the night and find it no chore to throw in a couple pieces of wood on the way to the bathroom. Don't worry when you hit 50 something you will be getting up at night also.
 
Well I am 29 and holding. However my dad is on the upper end of the 60's and as far as I know has no problem going all night with out getting up. IDK only time will tell but seeing as how I am not getting any older maybe I will never find out.
 
50+ here... and I find that enough whiskey before bed will keep ya' snoring straight through the night.
Just a little tip for y'all.

I can't do that...1 snip is too much and 1000 ain't enough...spend 10-15 hrs a day on the lake or in the stand and that'll put me to sleep.
 
If I snore too much I wake up with sore ribs.
From the wife keeps elbowing me.

You're sure it's "The Wife" ???? :hmm3grin2orange:

Once upon a time I had one of those yacht delivery calls from Hamilton. Owner said they'd fly me over with a crew of my choosing, plus $100/day to share with the crew onboard and downtime on shore before the run. Only 2 out of my 3 usual cronys were available so we got one of those yacht club round-the-buoy racers who wanted to try going off shore to fill in. The run from Bermuda to Marion, Mass is usually 3-5 days wind dependent.
Well, that deck gorilla snored like an out of tune 372XP off watch; none of us could sleep or take it after a day. Jack, who had been in my unit, had the bright idea to kiss this snorer full and hard and wet on the lips during his off watch sound effects. (Jack said that he'd used the technique before in the field.) Hey, it worked ! Not only did the snoring stop, but he didn't sleep until we made landfall. Funny looks from him for the rest of the trip.

Moral, Coldfront ? Be sure you know who's elbowing.
 

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