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Two saws, two different owners, both tested at 10% or less ethanol.

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Sorry there's no real point to this thread, just can't believe how bad the fuel problems are getting.
 
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i maybe wrong,,but that looks like more then 10% to me

Yeah it's more than 10% water, but I tested it and they were both right at or a little under 10% ethanol.

The one on the left less than a minute, the one on the right 2-3 minutes to settle.

Luckily both had so much water in the fuel neither would even fire up, one is from a 2 month
old Husqvarna 445, and the other an 046.

Needless to say both are being sent home with motomix in them.
 
Yeah it's more than 10% water, but I tested it and they were both right at or a little under 10% ethanol.



had the fuel been setting for a while? or did it come straight out of the pump that way? probably hard to get a straight answer, all they know is that their saw would not run.
 
Yeah it's more than 10% water, but I tested it and they were both right at or a little under 10% ethanol.



had the fuel been setting for a while? or did it come straight out of the pump that way? probably hard to get a straight answer, all they know is that their saw would not run.

The guy with the Husky, said that he had bought the fuel back over the summer before he bought the saw.
Same with the guy with the 046, he hasn't run the saw since the spring.
"When was the last time it ran?" is the first question we ask when stuff comes in the shop.
I have yet to see any straight out of the pump gas look this bad.
 
Bad gas is only getting worse here as well. Thing is, I have to tip toe about it as I'm in the center of corn country. Some guys get all kinds of mad when you say anything bad about gasohol.
 
I've been keeping track of the local gas through my Dolmar dealer who goes around and tests the gas almost everywhere he goes about once a month. Seems the gas station right down the road is the best. I am more worried about cold weather when they put dry gas in the underground tanks. Biggest thing I am finding is to keep fresh mix on hand and don't let mix sit in the saw for more than a week or so in between cutting. Thanks for the post Blood.
 
We run into this problem all the time at the dealership. Ethanol is like brake fluid, It is highly hydroscopic. It absorbs moisture. They warn us at "GM Technical College" that even a few drops of water into the fuel system is all it takes to cause the ethanol to separate from the gasoline and cause havoc to the fuel system.

Personally I only mix a gallon at a time, make sure I use it all. Never try to let it sit for more than a week.
 
We run into this problem all the time at the dealership. Ethanol is like brake fluid, It is highly hydroscopic. It absorbs moisture. They warn us at "GM Technical College" that even a few drops of water into the fuel system is all it takes to cause the ethanol to separate from the gasoline and cause havoc to the fuel system.

Personally I only mix a gallon at a time, make sure I use it all. Never try to let it sit for more than a week.

me too,, i only mix a gallon at a time,, if i know its going to sit to long then it goes in the mower
 
I've been keeping track of the local gas through my Dolmar dealer who goes around and tests the gas almost everywhere he goes about once a month. Seems the gas station right down the road is the best. I am more worried about cold weather when they put dry gas in the underground tanks. Biggest thing I am finding is to keep fresh mix on hand and don't let mix sit in the saw for more than a week or so in between cutting. Thanks for the post Blood.

Yeah it's really tough for us as a shop to give advice out to customers, when they ask "how to do I prevent
this from happening next time?"

Rare/ very occasional users:
If it's a hedge clipper or something that they use only a couple times a year, buy some motomix/ 50fuel
and run that all the time. We're advising them to run nothing but canned fuel, and for them they'll use
a can maybe 2 a year. If they used pump gas they'd be in getting new carbs, or rebuilds every time they wanted to use it.


Seasonal users:
People who use the equipment for a month to a couple months a year and then it sits the rest of the time.
This is typical of most firewood cutters, snow blower, and string trimmer owners. Run the best fuel you can can only makeup a gallon at a time, and if it's more than a couple weeks old dump in it the mower and run it. We've been telling them to drain the fuel and put in a half
can of the motomix/ 50 Fuel, run it for a minute or two to get it in the carb. and put it away.

Multi Season/ Pro Users:
Run fresh fuel, treat it with a ethanol treatment, store gas cans inside and not in the back of the truck or on the trailer.
At the end of the season run them dry, if not treat fuel and run the unit once or twice a month, for a couple minutes.
 
Bad gas is only getting worse here as well. Thing is, I have to tip toe about it as I'm in the center of corn country. Some guys get all kinds of mad when you say anything bad about gasohol.

I'm a farmer and and can say with all sincerity THEY SUCK..in bed with monsanto and the profits of death, plus killing our engines with their crap fuel. Over priced crap food and crap fuel.

It's a scam, a pure harmful economic WELFARE scam, they are WELFARE BUMS, they are part of the scam, profiting from the scam, perpetuating the scam, hurting everyone else in the nation, helping cause obesity (look around the nation, just freeking look, freeking corn syrup walking!) with their corn syrup leftover crap stuck in just about every food out there now, part of monsanto controlling the seed industry and corrupting the ag department..just....we've talked about ethanol and the corn lobby before. I got no use for them at all. They are about as useful as them wall street scammer bankers or corrupt politicians.

As a general rule, of course I support our ag industry and farmers, how could I not?..just not the corn lobby, have to make a critical exception there. It is well beyond out of control, just off the charts.
 
I'm a farmer and and can say with all sincerity THEY SUCK..in bed with monsanto and the profits of death, plus killing our engines with their crap fuel. Over priced crap food and crap fuel.

It's a scam, a pure harmful economic WELFARE scam, they are WELFARE BUMS, they are part of the scam, profiting from the scam, perpetuating the scam, hurting everyone else in the nation, helping cause obesity (look around the nation, just freeking look, freeking corn syrup walking!) with their corn syrup leftover crap stuck in just about every food out there now, part of monsanto controlling the seed industry and corrupting the ag department..just....we've talked about ethanol and the corn lobby before. I got no use for them at all. They are about as useful as them wall street scammer bankers or corrupt politicians.

As a general rule, of course I support our ag industry and farmers, how could I not?..just not the corn lobby, have to make a critical exception there. It is well beyond out of control, just off the charts.


Ummmm..+1.:D:msp_thumbup:

Stay safe!
Dingeryote
 
looking at the above pics, is there a way to separate the eth from the gas and siphon off one or the other leaving you with pure gas (or gas mix)?
 
I'm a farmer and and can say with all sincerity THEY SUCK..in bed with monsanto and the profits of death, plus killing our engines with their crap fuel. Over priced crap food and crap fuel.

It's a scam, a pure harmful economic WELFARE scam, they are WELFARE BUMS, they are part of the scam, profiting from the scam, perpetuating the scam, hurting everyone else in the nation, helping cause obesity (look around the nation, just freeking look, freeking corn syrup walking!) with their corn syrup leftover crap stuck in just about every food out there now, part of monsanto controlling the seed industry and corrupting the ag department..just....we've talked about ethanol and the corn lobby before. I got no use for them at all. They are about as useful as them wall street scammer bankers or corrupt politicians.

As a general rule, of course I support our ag industry and farmers, how could I not?..just not the corn lobby, have to make a critical exception there. It is well beyond out of control, just off the charts.

Although you are correct and I agree.....Could you imaging a business owner saying that to a customer LOL. You would be able to see the mushroom cloud from your front porch!

One gentlemen, after telling him not to use ethanol, replied "The money coming in helped pay for that seed tender engine and generator." Now I just nodded my head in agreement but wanted to say, that ethanol money will help pay the repair bills every year then too.
 
looking at the above pics, is there a way to separate the eth from the gas and siphon off one or the other leaving you with pure gas (or gas mix)?

looked into it myself a little (wow imagine that nowdays lol) and found you can separate them (phase separation) but that it won't take out all the alcohol, and that the fuel left isn't as volitle and will have a lower octane rating (didn't find hard numbers yet).

I'm sure there's got to be a method to separate them, but it may prove to be cost prohibitive. Although if I were able to do it for all my gas motors (car/truck etc) it may be worth it.
 
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