indiansprings
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+1 on the Blue Goo, use it almost every night on the lower back.
nerve damage from extended saw use?
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zogger
Tree Freak
It seems to make sense to me. The air bubbles would compress and act like little air bags or nitrogen filled shocks, and instantly adapt to demand. The gel just shifts position, it doesn't compress.
So what brand gloves are those?
Zog,
The air gloves I use are Impacto - they make several dozen different kinds.
The gel (or air filled foams) are also supposed to dampen the vibes, but they sometimes limit dexterity. If they made them more segmented, it would help. STIHL, and several other companies, offer segmented foam A/V gloves at a cheaper price ($10 - $25 per pair) which I think are better than plain gloves, but not as good as the good gloves.
Philbert
Some other threads on this topic:
http://www.arboristsite.com/chainsaw/174576.htm
http://www.arboristsite.com/chainsaw/147510.htm
http://www.arboristsite.com/commercial-tree-care-climbing/105405.htm
zogger
Tree Freak
---thanks very much. I'll check all that out. I've been running bare hands or just the tight leather gloves I also use for fence repair. I really need actual bonafide cutting gloves. I am not having hand problems except for a little loss of dexterity unrelated to sawing, and I want to keep it that way and not get any worse.
garyischofield
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I said the impacto gloves were gel inserts.I stand corrected they are air cells as Philbert stated.Brother Gologit,thanks for your input/experiences. I think I will revisit the Dr.and give him the real scoop.I candy coated the loss of strength/pain thinking I'd tough it out. I don't want to totally lose feeling in my fingers.(Still have lu####l thoughts of younger women).The glove insert from Impacto I'm sure over time will help.Gary
I said the impacto gloves were gel inserts.I stand corrected they are air cells as Philbert stated.Brother Gologit,thanks for your input/experiences. I think I will revisit the Dr.and give him the real scoop.I candy coated the loss of strength/pain thinking I'd tough it out. I don't want to totally lose feeling in my fingers.(Still have lu####l thoughts of younger women).The glove insert from Impacto I'm sure over time will help.Gary
lmbrman
stumped
Merry Christmas to all of you and thanks again for sharing your experiences and knowledge. I did manage to make an apointment with my primary doctor in january, and I suspect I will be sent onward/upward to the nuerologist same as last time years ago. I have only slight trouble occassionally compared with years ago when I had trouble letting go of items and regular tingling in my fingers. From reading the comments I have paid close attention to when I am bothered and in my case the bucking does not bother me nearly as much as limbing. Of course, here in WI, I have never bucked logs big as a bus as RandyMac speaks of 
If I wear a wrist brace a couple hours each day, or wear the stihl support gloves shown below while working I have no trouble at all. The gloves have a stiff wrist support and gel. I am curious if anyone has experience with this type of glove compared to other gloves and if I could find a better glove for wrist support. Wrist support seems critical for me, but I do have a wrist brace I can use separately. I think I may have slowed down my work a little over the years, and try to take it easy on the body, can't hurt.
Gary, I did get your PM, and glad to have any info from you. I tried to reply, but nothing shows as sent on my end. Still new at this computer thing.
If I wear a wrist brace a couple hours each day, or wear the stihl support gloves shown below while working I have no trouble at all. The gloves have a stiff wrist support and gel. I am curious if anyone has experience with this type of glove compared to other gloves and if I could find a better glove for wrist support. Wrist support seems critical for me, but I do have a wrist brace I can use separately. I think I may have slowed down my work a little over the years, and try to take it easy on the body, can't hurt.
Gary, I did get your PM, and glad to have any info from you. I tried to reply, but nothing shows as sent on my end. Still new at this computer thing.
Merry Christmas to all of you and thanks again for sharing your experiences and knowledge. Of course, here in WI, I have never bucked logs big as a bus as RandyMac speaks of
If I wear a wrist brace a couple hours each day, or wear the stihl support gloves shown below while working I have no trouble at all. The gloves have a stiff wrist support and gel. I am curious if anyone has experience with this type of glove compared to other gloves and if I could find a better glove for wrist support. Wrist support seems critical for me, but I do have a wrist brace I can use separately. I think I may have slowed down my work a little over the years, and try to take it easy on the body, can't hurt.
I bucked a 4' fir by a very cold river for firewood one winter in Oregon. 18" length and quartered so we could move them by hand from the river bed. I had an 046mag and a 28" bar. Much of the work was in sleet conditions. I had to rush it because the river was due to rise. For weeks afterwards, I could not touch hardly any of my fingers to my thumb, and my elbow hurt pretty good. After that I went to Husky, and in most of my old videos during that time you could see I had a brace on my arm.
It's been weeks since I did my last 3 month contract in England and I still can not feel the tip of my toes on my right foot. ;( Near the end of the contract, I stopped wearing steel toed boots. We only cut on a flat forest floor for a total of 2 weeks out of the 12. The rest of the time my feet paid for it something fierce. I would have more video, but I got to be honest. I was miserable a lot of the time, it was raining, and I just couldn't be bothered. Still, I would do it all again(with better boots and gloves).
imagineero
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here's Soren Eriksson with his 6 point limbing technique.
[video=youtube;xX9Xj0faq3g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX9Xj0faq3g[/video]
From about 20 years ago. I know there's going to be plenty of critics of this, but instead of finding reasons why it wont work for you (there are plenty) try to look for a couple ways you might be able to use it. This is a nuts and bolts demonstration of smarter not harder. Yeah i know, I never get to fell trees that straight and skinny with such small branches either, but the basic idea of letting the saw do the work is excellent. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that this guy could outcut myself and probably a lot of us on here in almost any kind of wood and use less effort and fuel and still be less tired at the end of the day.
Using the saw in ways that the natural motion of the chain and inertia of the engine benefit you lets you use less energy. Look at the guys grip, you can see he must be feeling a lot less 'vibe' by not having to get a death grip on the handles. I know I get my best fastest work done when I'm using a light touch, work becomes almost effortless. Planning ahead and using good technique are really the thin end of the wedge for all saw users.
Shaun
[video=youtube;xX9Xj0faq3g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX9Xj0faq3g[/video]
From about 20 years ago. I know there's going to be plenty of critics of this, but instead of finding reasons why it wont work for you (there are plenty) try to look for a couple ways you might be able to use it. This is a nuts and bolts demonstration of smarter not harder. Yeah i know, I never get to fell trees that straight and skinny with such small branches either, but the basic idea of letting the saw do the work is excellent. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that this guy could outcut myself and probably a lot of us on here in almost any kind of wood and use less effort and fuel and still be less tired at the end of the day.
Using the saw in ways that the natural motion of the chain and inertia of the engine benefit you lets you use less energy. Look at the guys grip, you can see he must be feeling a lot less 'vibe' by not having to get a death grip on the handles. I know I get my best fastest work done when I'm using a light touch, work becomes almost effortless. Planning ahead and using good technique are really the thin end of the wedge for all saw users.
Shaun
Great link Shaun, thanks.
I think that this video deserves its own thread to discuss his limbing technique, so I may port it there.
http://www.arboristsite.com/chainsaw/188976.htm
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Good thread with much great information from all. Both parents had the surgery, pop just 2 months ago. Doc said he waited to long and may never get the feeling back in some fingers, but the pain is gone. I know I am heading down that road...
Question to lmbrman - You got a PN on them gloves? I like the support the appear to offer, wouldn't mind giving a set a whirl. Don't see them ont eh Stihl Website though.
dw
Question to lmbrman - You got a PN on them gloves? I like the support the appear to offer, wouldn't mind giving a set a whirl. Don't see them ont eh Stihl Website though.
dw
lmbrman
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I think in an earlier post I mentioned the stihl gloves are NLA, but I might not have. I bought several pair a few years back for about $30/pair, but am down to my last pair. To date I have found nothing even close support wise. If you google wrist support gloves you might find the same glove still available from the manufacturer. I think I found them and will post the link if correct, after delivery, assuming it is within the AS rules
I got banned from certain things at home for spending too much time on AS, don't need trouble here too.
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Cool, I may have missed the NLA comment. I have been wondering how a power-lifter's brace on the left hand would work. If you haven't seen one it is basically a metal bar that is strapped to the forearm/wrist and hooks around the weight bar. Seems it would help the left hand supportt the saw weight without forcing one to use the gripping strength to keep the hand tightly closed. One would only need to use the grip to guid the saw, not support it.
This imige looks like it is strapped on to the bar which wouldn't work, but I have seen some that are just flat metal hooks that might be easy enough to use, w/out you being tied to the saw.
dw
This imige looks like it is strapped on to the bar which wouldn't work, but I have seen some that are just flat metal hooks that might be easy enough to use, w/out you being tied to the saw.
dw
Wrist supports and braces are somewhat controversial, depending upon how they are used. Generally, it is preferred to maintain and work with a straight, or 'neutral' wrist posture. This puts less stress on the tendons, nerves, blood vessels, and muscles when applying force.
However, if you task requires you to bend your wrist and you are wearing a brace that restricts this movement, you can end up fighting the brace, putting even more stress on those parts. Rigid wrist supports can also induce compensating postures, which can lead to new problems developing in the elbows or shoulders.
Depending upon your tasks, varying the height of the work, the choice of saw, your work methods, etc. can affect your wrist posture. Sometimes we have control over these - sometimes we don't.
So a light support that 'reminds' you to keep your wrist straight can, in some cases, be preferable to a rigid support. Sometimes, doctors or therapists will prescribe wearing of wrist braces at night, to discourage sleeping with curled wrists, which can compress the nerves and restrict blood flow.
Some of the vendors I listed in an earlier post sell A/V gloves with wrist supports. I wear A/V gloves without them. If your gloves do not supply the wrist support you want, you can find short, elastic wraps (i.e. 'Ace bandages') with hook and loop closures (i.e. 'Velcro') at most drug stores or at altheletic sporting goods stores.
Philbert
zogger
Tree Freak
--really good advice man and appreciate your input in this and the other threads..you know what you are talking about.
I went around and checked out all the off the shelf gloves in my area looking for antivibe or anti impact styled gloves, and the selection is pretty dismal and I couldn't see that they were much better than wearing two pair of gloves, cotton undernearth and some leather on the outside. The tractor supply ones were a joke, they had a pair marked for antivibration right next to the "regular" gloves, same make color, etc..and no difference! The difference was what was printed on the cardboard dealie and some bucks more. I mean, WTH, how lame is that. If there was any actual engineering difference, it was so slight as to not matter a flip.
It will have to be mailorder for me, doing some online shopping. Man, I would *really* prefer to try some on first though, all the good ones appear to be spendy.
SawTroll
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Those Stihl gloves looks nice, but I have never seen them here! :msp_mad:
SawTroll
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Everything looked pretty normal to me, and i doubt that method was developed just 20 years ago - it is much older.....
SawTroll
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I agree that keyboarding may have a lot to do with it - it surely did in my case! :smile2:
promac850
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Yeeaaah... but I still wouldn't do that with a loose grip like that guy has... if that thing kicks, it's not gonna be held well enough to control the saw... Efficient? Yes. Good for a guy that cuts timber every day? Yes. Low risk? No... if one were to slip up/have a brain fart while using techniques like this, serious injury and/or death can easily occur... not to mention how much easier it would be to accidentally brush the kickback zone of the bar against a branch or something... and if there isn't another branch or something to catch it, you may be the one that's gonna catch it...
There's my criticism...
And yes... some of the saws out there can really create some vibes... I can only wonder what my 790's gonna be like... I already know it won't be like cutting with the 850...
Hmm... we use a death grip to hold the saws? Not really, but not a sissy grip neither... that guy in the vid looks to be using the sissy grip to me... though if he's really comfortable running the saw like that, then he can.
Now... RandyMac actually stood on saws... Ain't much of that going on these days... bet it took so long to cut through some of the old growth logs that he had to fill up in the middle of a cut...
lmbrman
stumped
Just got home from the woods and my hands never felt better. Did not even wear my antivibe gloves or the stihl support gloves that I alternate between. I had been running a 346,357 and my trusty 262, alternating when empty. Tried something new and no tingling or numbness on the ride home. Could be a partial solution.
zogger
Tree Freak
Well, what is the something new you tried? Or do you mean just swapping saws all the time? Or just that newer saws with better antivibe don't have the same issues as the older rigid saws, and that helps too?
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