If HONDA made a line of chainsaws.......

[joesmith]

Mistake # 1 is saying "I Do"....

the minivan just comes with the three kids, dog, au pair, in laws, neighbors....ect.

Touche...also I love the sig, man...fan of gerald celente?

 

[GA_Boy]

I think yamaha is just as reliable.

After my friends 01 yz125 tossed a wrist pin bearing i'm not too impressed. When the needle bearings started moving around in the gas charge, It completed destroyed the entire top end; piston, cylinder and head. And to make things worse, oem parts are insanely expensive.

The line by the transfer port is so deep the cyl has to be sent off to be sleeved.

 

[Itsme7]

Eek. I'm a big Yamaha fan (used to race a WR450, and currently own an RD350 and a new Super Tenere), but I wouldn't trade my Honda Rincon for a Yamaha anything if someone had a gun to my head.

Whys that? Like going slower, not having diff lock? :tongue2: Yamahas are as reliable as any honda. Zero issues with my Grizzly 700 in the past 4 years of extremely hard riding, along with 10+ other grizzlies i ride with in my group. If anything we end up pulling hondas and popos out more than anything :msp_biggrin:

Popos has the worst clutch system out there, i witnessed a new 850xp smoke its belt in the parkinglot trying to load it onto a trailer lol.

 

[deezelman]

Cant we just throw a harvester bar on this........

[/QUOTE250

250R is definitely something Honda did right

 

[bcorradi]

Cant we just throw a harvester bar on this........

[/QUOTE250

250R is definitely something Honda did right

Ya i agree...honda were the pioneers, but imo they have been surpassed by yamaha.

 

[bcorradi]

however, I agree with u, the 250r was top notch back in its day.

 

[sachsmo]

Even today it's top notch.

There are some things a 3 wheeler can do that no quad can match.

 

[4x4American]

If anything, operator error.

must been their knees was a stickin which was holding their foot down on the throttle...people need to grease their knees more frequent like, there's a grease zerk for a reason

 

[CATDIESEL]

Yes,Honda is a fourstroke company.In the world of dirt,Honda hasn't had a good machine since '92.Some years had good engines and horrible everything else,other years the opposite.The final years they were the bottom feeders of the class but then all their development was going to the CRF250 and CRF450 so it was hardly surprising.
My main riding buddy has always had Honda's-and still does but even he shakes his head as to what was Honda quality and what is now.With the exception of this year(supposedly anyway)the 250's are well known as unreliable grenades,the 450's tend to fare better though even they have had their share of issues.
Honda has and does make some very good machines-they also make some very poor unreliable ones-exactly the same as most manufacturers.Whenever I hear "If it's a Honda it has to be good" I just roll my eyes-and stand in awe of their marketing department.:msp_wink:

BTW,I've currently got a 350ES 4wd Rancher and it's been a good machine.I've had to replace parts here and there but I've been happy-and it's a quality machine.I just wish it had more ground clearance and disc brakes-like every other quad on the palnet.

Do you think before you speak, or do you open up and let the b.s. flow??????? who has more 250/450 championships under their belt in the last 10 years? the crf450 won all cycle world and dirt rider shoot outs for 10 years in a row. they lost out to kawasaki last year and have enough improvements to be back on top this year. honda is nothing but a class act and always have been. yamaha and kawasaki both build excellant product, but honda has always been a step up in quality.it sure is funny how everything is always compared or benchmarked to honda? they hold market share in atvs, and always have. i have owned other brands,
and they were good to me,but nothing provides service,reliability and resale like honda. just look at old atcs,trxs, bikes, on resale, it speaks for its self. next time you go off on one of your rants here,it is not an opinion-it is a rant, THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK.

 

[CATDIESEL]

Ya i agree...honda were the pioneers, but imo they have been surpassed by yamaha.

the yfz450 are awesome, but the 2013 trx50 is going to be pretty sweet.

 

[CATDIESEL]

True,they tried to get power out of a case reed 250 and,unlike KTM,Honda couldn't do it.
On the other hand,I liked the final electronic pv'd CR.No powerhouse but smooth linear power power mated to excellent suspension made it a great,and much overlooked,woods bike.I'm a YZ250 fan myself,and currently ride one.
Rumour is Yamaha,KTM or Husky may have a Direct Injection two stroke in a year or so.:cool2:

hmmm, who builds ktm motors for them,or builds them to ktm specs?

 

[Warped5]

If Honda made a saw ...

... It would not require an 'EPA' carb or a cat, because it'd burn that clean
... It would have ENOUGH power
... It would start on the first pull .. every time
... It would be smooth
... It would have leather-wrapped handles
... Its labels would not disrupt its 'axial balance'
... It would be 'in style' for years to come
... It would only require a chain re-sharpening / bar flip every 10,000 cuts
... It would require refueling only once a day
... It would be price only SLIGHTLY higher than the competition
... It would very quietly be the envy of all other saws and their owners

 

[SawTroll]

... It would not require an 'EPA' carb or a cat, because it'd burn that clean
... It would have ENOUGH power
... It would start on the first pull .. every time
... It would be smooth
... It would have leather-wrapped handles
... Its labels would not disrupt its 'axial balance'
... It would be 'in style' for years to come
... It would only require a chain re-sharpening / bar flip every 10,000 cuts
... It would require refueling only once a day
... It would be price only SLIGHTLY higher than the competition
... It would very quietly be the envy of all other saws and their owners

....or simply very heavy and very expensive....:yoyo:

 

[Officer's Match]

Do you think before you speak, or do you open up and let the b.s. flow??????? who has more 250/450 championships under their belt in the last 10 years? the crf450 won all cycle world and dirt rider shoot outs for 10 years in a row. they lost out to kawasaki last year and have enough improvements to be back on top this year. honda is nothing but a class act and always have been. yamaha and kawasaki both build excellant product, but honda has always been a step up in quality.it sure is funny how everything is always compared or benchmarked to honda? they hold market share in atvs, and always have. i have owned other brands,
and they were good to me,but nothing provides service,reliability and resale like honda. just look at old atcs,trxs, bikes, on resale, it speaks for its self. next time you go off on one of your rants here,it is not an opinion-it is a rant, THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK.

Championships are made by having the best rider under contract. In their respective days, NOBODY was gonna' beat Jeremy, Ricky or Bubba. The color of their ride meant comparatively little. Magazines can be useful, but also are largely funded by advertising dollars. Some absolute turds have been named BIKE/CAR/WHATEVER-of-the-year. Frankly in the 250 2-stroke class nobody has been able to top Yamaha for over a decade, although when Suzuki made an exact knockoff of the YZ cylinder (identical porting) they were very close (just still a Suzuki aka not as reliable).

 

[ford832]

hmmm, who builds ktm motors for them,or builds them to ktm specs?

Seriously?I would assume you're just trying to funny to make an uninformed comment like that.

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=who%20builds%20ktm%20engines%3F&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&ved=0CFcQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorcycle.com%2Fmanufacturer%2Fhistory-ktm-motorcycle.html&ei=J1LDUPK4HeeuyQH48oCoCg&usg=AFQjCNGdme_ml7YW1pv8hHryo2fR-hjI8Q&bvm=bv.1354675689,d.aWc

I've had 2 KTM's and a Husaberg and there is definitely no Honda in them-lol,too funny.

 

[ford832]

Do you think before you speak, or do you open up and let the b.s. flow??????? who has more 250/450 championships under their belt in the last 10 years? the crf450 won all cycle world and dirt rider shoot outs for 10 years in a row. they lost out to kawasaki last year and have enough improvements to be back on top this year. honda is nothing but a class act and always have been. yamaha and kawasaki both build excellant product, but honda has always been a step up in quality.it sure is funny how everything is always compared or benchmarked to honda? they hold market share in atvs, and always have. i have owned other brands,
and they were good to me,but nothing provides service,reliability and resale like honda. just look at old atcs,trxs, bikes, on resale, it speaks for its self. next time you go off on one of your rants here,it is not an opinion-it is a rant, THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK.

Do you really think the bike you see win the MX championship has any real similarity to what you roll off the showromm floor?
I haven't got time to post up all the links to tear this apart as I have to go drop a few trees for my father shortly.If you want them,let me know and I'll do it for you tomorrow.
The 250 Honda fourstrokes have been underwhelming time bombs for years.That's a well known fact.The 450's haven't had as many issues but have had their share.
As for Honda dominance,here's a quick AMA Motocross timeline for you:

00-RC Kawi
01-RC Kawi
02-RC Hon
03-RC Hon
04-RC Hon
05-RC Suz
450:
06 RC SUZ
07 Langston-Yam
08 Stewart Kaw
09 Reed-Suz
10 Dungey-Suz
11 Villopoto-Kaw
12 Dungey- KTM

As officersmatch stated,look at RC's results.It's more about the rider than anything.Regardless,I don't see the Honda domination of the last 10 yrs you do-in fact,I don't see the 450 Honda at all.
Again no time to itemize things but do you remember the airbox sealing issues of the CRF's? I do.How does a company with such astounding QC sell machines that suck dirt into the engine because there is a gap between the filter and airbox-and not only on the CRF's.
I'm reasonably familiar with the CRF450R's and X's as that's all my main riding,racing buddy will own-from 02 to present and I've seen the good and bad in all of his-and ridden them all extensively.I've owned all the brands myself and have seen issues in them all.

For you to sit back and call Honda as the best ever and head and shoulders above everything else pegs you as a fanboy.
Be honest man,you're a 13 yr old kid aren't you?Judging by your drivel,you have to be.
"THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK" great advice-you should take it.
As you appear to lack real life experience with these products over the years and are therefore unable to form an informed opinion,try googling it.In other words "SEARCH BEFORE YOU POST"

There,off to the trees........


One final thought before I go.I don't pay much attention to mag tests as far as ratings go.It was either Dirt Bike Or Dirt Rider that rated the Cannondale MX440 as bike of the year-before they tested it-and we know what happened there.(if you don't,google it.)
Anyway I was flipping through a Dirt Bike mag here just a couple days ago.It was the 2012 off road 450 shootout issue.
guess where the 450 Honda finshed?If you guessed last,you guessed correctly.
That's right,bottom of the barrel,sucking the hind tit,bottom feeding last.:hmm3grin2orange:
Seriously though,the consensus was that it was a good quality bike that performed well though they had cheaped out in some areas.In present company though,it rated in last place.
If it was me though,I likely would have placed it second,KTM first,Yamaha third.Longevity reasons and the Beta is a unknown quantity.
Well,I've had my fun so I must head out.My mother's made a Rappie Pie for supper after we're done.Mmmmmmmm...Bribery I tells 'ya:msp_smile:

 

[SaW_FaNaTiSm]

[video=youtube;DDWqJe1dCgY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDWqJe1dCgY[/video]


SawBike?

 

[CATDIESEL]

Seriously?I would assume you're just trying to funny to make an uninformed comment like that.

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=who%20builds%20ktm%20engines%3F&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&ved=0CFcQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorcycle.com%2Fmanufacturer%2Fhistory-ktm-motorcycle.html&ei=J1LDUPK4HeeuyQH48oCoCg&usg=AFQjCNGdme_ml7YW1pv8hHryo2fR-hjI8Q&bvm=bv.1354675689,d.aWc

I've had 2 KTM's and a Husaberg and there is definitely no Honda in them-lol,too funny.

never said it was honda at all, ever here of company called ROTAX???????????

 

[CATDIESEL]

Do you really think the bike you see win the MX championship has any real similarity to what you roll off the showromm floor?
I haven't got time to post up all the links to tear this apart as I have to go drop a few trees for my father shortly.If you want them,let me know and I'll do it for you tomorrow.
The 250 Honda fourstrokes have been underwhelming time bombs for years.That's a well known fact.The 450's haven't had as many issues but have had their share.
As for Honda dominance,here's a quick AMA Motocross timeline for you:

00-RC Kawi
01-RC Kawi
02-RC Hon
03-RC Hon
04-RC Hon
05-RC Suz
450:
06 RC SUZ
07 Langston-Yam
08 Stewart Kaw
09 Reed-Suz
10 Dungey-Suz
11 Villopoto-Kaw
12 Dungey- KTM

As officersmatch stated,look at RC's results.It's more about the rider than anything.Regardless,I don't see the Honda domination of the last 10 yrs you do-in fact,I don't see the 450 Honda at all.
Again no time to itemize things but do you remember the airbox sealing issues of the CRF's? I do.How does a company with such astounding QC sell machines that suck dirt into the engine because there is a gap between the filter and airbox-and not only on the CRF's.
I'm reasonably familiar with the CRF450R's and X's as that's all my main riding,racing buddy will own-from 02 to present and I've seen the good and bad in all of his-and ridden them all extensively.I've owned all the brands myself and have seen issues in them all.

For you to sit back and call Honda as the best ever and head and shoulders above everything else pegs you as a fanboy.
Be honest man,you're a 13 yr old kid aren't you?Judging by your drivel,you have to be.
"THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK" great advice-you should take it.
As you appear to lack real life experience with these products over the years and are therefore unable to form an informed opinion,try googling it.In other words "SEARCH BEFORE YOU POST"

There,off to the trees........


One final thought before I go.I don't pay much attention to mag tests as far as ratings go.It was either Dirt Bike Or Dirt Rider that rated the Cannondale MX440 as bike of the year-before they tested it-and we know what happened there.(if you don't,google it.)
Anyway I was flipping through a Dirt Bike mag here just a couple days ago.It was the 2012 off road 450 shootout issue.
guess where the 450 Honda finshed?If you guessed last,you guessed correctly.
That's right,bottom of the barrel,sucking the hind tit,bottom feeding last.:hmm3grin2orange:
Seriously though,the consensus was that it was a good quality bike that performed well though they had cheaped out in some areas.In present company though,it rated in last place.
If it was me though,I likely would have placed it second,KTM first,Yamaha third.Longevity reasons and the Beta is a unknown quantity.
Well,I've had my fun so I must head out.My mother's made a Rappie Pie for supper after we're done.Mmmmmmmm...Bribery I tells 'ya:msp_smile:

mommie feeds you yet huh???? i plainly stated that honda did not do well in 2012 due to lack of improvements. 2013 will be a different story. 13 i am not, a fan boy i am, after own 40+ hondas' in my life time-and never a failure/problem- you bet i am. i use a large fleet of honda atvs and utvs in my business and they have been flawless. my last goldwing had over 100k on it when i traded it, what other brand can lay claim to that? now you best run along and go ride your buddies whatever it is, and oh, your momie calling you too............ we will all be awaiting one of your sensless rants about honda again, wait a minute, isn't this a chainsaw forum???????

 

[Tzed250]

never said it was honda at all, ever here of company called rotax???????????

See, now you've gone and stepped in it. ‘Kronreif, Trunkenpolz, Mattighofen’ -KTM manufactures their own engines, and have since they stopped using Sachs powerplants. Rotax supplies many companies, but not KTM.