70cc or ported 562xp
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mt.stalker
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In big wood , there's simply "no replacement for displacement " , end of story . :bang:
So , get yourself a big Xtra Power orange saw , or one of its red headed cousins .
So , get yourself a big Xtra Power orange saw , or one of its red headed cousins .
if you want the power of a 70cc saw. Buy a 70cc saw. I put a 25" bar on my ms460 and it is a pleasure to run. I want to get a 562 or the 2260. But I would not sell my other saws. One saw does not do everything. Keep it and buy a bigger saw.
I got to the get together kinda late but had a chance to run Terry's 562. I was so impressed I went back to his shop yesterday and brought it home with me. In smaller wood it was much faster than my stock 441c. That 562 he did will scream! Have him port a 562 and it will beat a stock 70cc saw every time except in all but big wood. Thanks again Terry!
SawTroll
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The opinions on what is too close in weight surely will vary, but there will be a major difference in handling as well, unless you just fell and buck with the saw. :msp_wink:
I have always been die hard Stihl....until now. I bought a new 2253 off terry since he is stocking the red brand and then went back and bought his ported 562. The 2260 demo was the best handling saw I have ever used. Saw troll is right. The husky and jonsered handling is so much better than Stihl .This coming from a Stihl guy. I actually prefer the handle and looks of jonsered.
SawTroll
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Nothing beats the Jonsered looks, but I simply don't like the streight across handlebars, specially not when limbing - people are different though!
Philip Wheelock
Finis Origine Pendet
Clearing 5 acres w/ a 24" bar is 372 territory. Besides, there's all kinds of reasons why a 2-saw plan minimum is a good idea. I brought three saws with me today; turns out I needed every one.
SawTroll
Information Collector
I have a NE346xpg and a 2153WH (both heated) - the 346xp is waaaay better for limbing, just because of the different handlebar. For felling, bucking and blocking, it doesn't matter much - but that still means the red one mainly stay out of the woods - as felling, limbing and bucking usually is done with the same saw.
Swamp Yankee
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To the OP
Based upon your statement in post # 9 I have to agree with going 576XP. If you're going to be flopping trees, (assuming hardwood), that require a 24 inch bar 90% of the time the extra power and especially the delivery of torque over a wider power band makes the 576XP a much better choice. I've owned all three, 372XP, 576XP, and a 372XPG Xtorque.
The only one of the three I felt comfortable felling with was the 576XP. The 576XP performance wise is a reincarnation of the 281XP with a faster spooling engine, less weight, and vastly superior anti-vibe.
My current 372XPG, which will be going down the road soon, is relegated to working on piles of tree length during the winter only, as I never know what is going to fall off the POS next. By the way, it's not an isolated incident as my supplier of treelength is having the same problem with his. The main difference is the dealer he bought his from is trying to rectify the situation, the dealer i bought mine from told me to pound sand.
The original 372XP though it ran well was an absolute dog in felling hardwood 20 inches and over. Long story, but suffice to say when I needed power to get things down fast, it wasn't there.
If you're going to indeed be taking on trees that large 90% of the time my own opinion, though I'm no where near the qualified expert as the other posters on the thread, is when felling you simply cannot have too much power. If it was me, I'd be looking at a 576XP with or without autotune or maybe if the budget allowed, a 390XP.
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Redoakranch
ArboristSite Operative
For years my dad and I cut everything with a 254xp. Now that we both have 50cc saws for limbing and an MS660 for the big stuff I could never go back to smaller saws for bucking/felling. I would still want to have a 461 or a new AT version 372 to fill the gap.
Philip Wheelock
Finis Origine Pendet
I've always thought of the 372 as a good saw. Curious to know what's falling off. Screws vibrating loose?
bower4311
ArboristSite Operative
Where do you stand money wise? Or you can buy a used 70cc saw from someone here, or find one locally, then sell it when you're done. If you need to clear five acres, you wouldn't lose too much value on a used saw, if any at all. Sell it when you're done.
Some things dont make sense
1. The time to ask advice is before you sell all your saws and buy any one saw that will be asked to do it all.
2. The old timers that cut really big trees going through the Lake Tahoe region and did it with an ax. They would be amazed at the saws currently available to todays logger. My ported 371 with a 20" bar will handle anything a 576 can with a 24. It might take a few seconds longer, but it will clear 5 acres.
As they say, "It's the Indian, not the arrow."
3. When a fairly large group of experienced cutters praise a saw, and someone comes along and calls it a POS it reflects on that person more than it does on the saw.
4. How does someone that has little experience land a job clearing 5 acres that has 90% of the trees requiring a 24" bar? It might be wiser to suggest to whomever asked you to do it that you are not capable of handling that job. If saw selection is this much of a challenge, the actual cutting will put you in danger.
It might be just me, to the rest here this might make perfect sense.
1. The time to ask advice is before you sell all your saws and buy any one saw that will be asked to do it all.
2. The old timers that cut really big trees going through the Lake Tahoe region and did it with an ax. They would be amazed at the saws currently available to todays logger. My ported 371 with a 20" bar will handle anything a 576 can with a 24. It might take a few seconds longer, but it will clear 5 acres.
As they say, "It's the Indian, not the arrow."
3. When a fairly large group of experienced cutters praise a saw, and someone comes along and calls it a POS it reflects on that person more than it does on the saw.
4. How does someone that has little experience land a job clearing 5 acres that has 90% of the trees requiring a 24" bar? It might be wiser to suggest to whomever asked you to do it that you are not capable of handling that job. If saw selection is this much of a challenge, the actual cutting will put you in danger.
It might be just me, to the rest here this might make perfect sense.
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