How do you rate PFRED?
Masterminded 362C -R
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I got mine from eBay about 2 years ago. They quit making them and the race guys have some saved up. I've got maybe 5. The bahco are a newer oberg since they bought them out. They do seem to last the best. I had a bad experience with pferd so I never bought any more of them.
l have pferd and save edge and others. Pferd make really good files IMO. They also usually have two types being coarse and smooth in their round files. The six sided square chisel file l have works well. l believe there are many good quality files to buy very few who get quality when using them. The art of filing is not in the file but in ones hand, mind & eye. A complete understanding of how a cutter functions and cuts will help. When hand filing square you only need to focus on the two angles you hold the file as if you get them right, the angle of the cutting edge will be right too.
Hedgerow
HACK
I got nuthin'...
When you find some, I'll double yer money...
I been using Save Edge files...
They work, but the only oberg I've spied, had nicer corners...
MasterMech
ArboristSite Operative
Off the roll? Sure. I'll take that bet. Otherwise I know that well-filed square beats round any day. The point of my video was that off the roll square is equal to round, at best. I have another vid where I ran Oregon CL vs Stihl RS and the CL was painfully slow. A close look at the factory grind is quite revealing.
My expierence with the two are that square doesnt seem to load the saw as much , where round seems to bite harder and square seems smoother , thats both chains out of the box , once both touched by a guy with good knowledge of how to file square id agree that it is certainly faster than round
The Stihl RSL I purchased is faster off the roll than Stihl RS loops from the factory. My brother and My nephew (MechanicMatt) concluded the same. My 044 with RSL was cutting faster than my brother's 460 with RS side by side. Installing RSL on the 460 resolved the issue. The results with MechanicMatt's 76 cc Husky were similar.
I'm just learning square file, but I try to keep the angles stock (both about 45 degrees) for durability. I know steeper angles will cut faster, but this stuff seems to hold up just as well as RS for us, and it cuts a little faster. That is exactly what I want. I don't pretend to know as much as others who have been using square file for much longer, but for now this is working for me. It is like a free performance upgrade.
Another AS member referred to my "off the roll" square file as "Race Chain" at the GTG. Don't know what else to say, I like it.
I'm just learning square file, but I try to keep the angles stock (both about 45 degrees) for durability. I know steeper angles will cut faster, but this stuff seems to hold up just as well as RS for us, and it cuts a little faster. That is exactly what I want. I don't pretend to know as much as others who have been using square file for much longer, but for now this is working for me. It is like a free performance upgrade.
Another AS member referred to my "off the roll" square file as "Race Chain" at the GTG. Don't know what else to say, I like it.
Trx250r180
Saw polisher
square 
SquareFile
ArboristSite Guru
I have seen quality control so bad that semi chisel on one side and square on the other. Must of been made on a Friday.
MasterMech
ArboristSite Operative
Maybe Mike is getting much better chain than I did. I haven't messed with factory square since I did that video.
I've had good and awful from both. The roll of Carlton I got wasn't a fast grind but no messed up cutters. They just don't clean the gullet out at all on it.
Hedgerow
HACK
Homelite410 set up a chain test last year at the IA GTG...
But damn if I can find the results...
IIRC, the speeds went from fastest to slowest..
Oregon square
Stihl square
Carlton square
Oregon LGX
Stihl RS
Carlton chisel
All full comp 72DL chains...
But damn if I can find the results...
IIRC, the speeds went from fastest to slowest..
Oregon square
Stihl square
Carlton square
Oregon LGX
Stihl RS
Carlton chisel
All full comp 72DL chains...
I've had 3/8 lpx that wouldn't cut well new. Depth gauges were too high from the get go. I also go ahead and file it round. That helps a little even before fixing the depth gauge. I haven't had a .325 lpx come out of the box bad like I have 3/8. I'm sure I will some day, but so far I've been happier with oregons factory .325 chain more so that their 3/8.
Deets066
Firewood hack
Not sure where I read it, maybe madsens site. But they said that square would take 10 cc more to run it than round on the same bar. Now I personally don't agree with it but I think square loads he saw more. But then again I run my rakers lower on square than on round also.
KG441c
Keith
After reading and looking at the angles which angle on square makes the tooth cut faster? Ive been reading that going from a 45° to a 30° angle would cut faster but is that in relation to top plate ° or side plate? What exactly does beak mean? Im trying to figure all this out before my chain and file gets here. Also how do u check the angles after u file?
Square is a more efficient cutter. Beak is when the file is too high or too low and leaves a small point in the corner. A side beak is better than a top beak. Best way I found to check angles is with an angle finder and use the file to put it on.
The angles on both the top and side plate, matter, the steeper the angles, the faster the cut, but you will exchange durability.
I think it is fairly easy to picture 45 & 45 in your head, and adjust from there.
If the corner of your file is on the side plate instead of in the corner you will create a beak. This will still cut. If your corner on the file is in on the top plate, it will not cut well. Best to focus keeping it in the corner (IMO).
My recommendation would be to start with 45 X 45 as a base line, see how it cuts and holds up, then you can adjust from there and see what you thing. If cutting softwoods, 40 X 40 is fairly common.
I think it is fairly easy to picture 45 & 45 in your head, and adjust from there.
If the corner of your file is on the side plate instead of in the corner you will create a beak. This will still cut. If your corner on the file is in on the top plate, it will not cut well. Best to focus keeping it in the corner (IMO).
My recommendation would be to start with 45 X 45 as a base line, see how it cuts and holds up, then you can adjust from there and see what you thing. If cutting softwoods, 40 X 40 is fairly common.
KG441c
Keith
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