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School Marm= bigger tree with 1 or more little trees growing conjoined or very close by, like a recess lady with a gaggle of brats... I mean childrens running around her, i.e. School Marmmy

They can be an ass ache... If possible cut one at a time, think of the extra tops as being heavy branches, and adjust for lean that way.

You may need spring boards and or climbing gear to get high enough to clear the hangers on.

If the hangers are high enough that they have grown together you can cut under the join and fall the whole werks as one, but don't count on it. When possible remove the hangers and proceed from there.

Enjoy...
Maybe that's why he wants me to cut it, he is an older guy, does not have a big saw also,I need to look at the stump closer looked like they did not split for 6 feet up or so
 
I think the biggest destinction to make is co-dominant trees versus a co-dominant stem. Two trees that have grown together versus a tree with a low narrow yoke that has developed co-dominant leaders. At casual inspection they can look similar, but from a structural standpoint they react very differently in the felling process.
 
A definition: SCHOOL-MARM: A tree stem that branches into two or more trunks or tops.

Now, I didn't go to medical school so I may not be right.:drinkingcoffee: But, in timber cruiser school, if the fork was below DBH (4.5 feet) it would count as two trees. If above, one and the cruiser needed to measure the tallest, or bestest stem and deduct volume if needed. A case where the timber buyer could get some extra volume if the other stem was merch and the faller:bowdown: competent. No dominant or codominant comparison on ONE tree, which it really is. You'd use those terms when comparing the single, school marm tree to the rest of the trees in the stand.
 
Pft whadu no.... stupid gurl... hack spit... ;)

Anyway junk man, I'm not too terribly far away from PA, if ya want a hand with that... beer and pizza would go a long ways... Not that ya can't handle it...

(mostly I wan't to sneak a peek in that yard of yours and find some goodies)
 
Was getting dark when got home,pics don't want to load off phone, will do in am,on my pc there is 3 cedars grown together,is pretty good size,I think a 5 foot across stump maybe
 
It may not make a difference cruising, but it makes a hell of a difference when ya start cutting on em.

Yes, and cruising trees is not falling. But it is what is used to get an "estimate" of the volume. It's what we have to work with and in a perfect world, that defect estimate will equal the long butting.
 
Here is this tree ,it was getting dark so pics are kind of dark ,couple i lit up some with a flashlight ,it is so tightly grown together for at least 15 feet up ,looks like fall it as one tree ,i will get the tree to mill up ,so if i can get a 12 footer out of the butt or a 16 ,i can hand rip the trees apart once it is bucked up ,will also clear all the brush out with the skid steer before it goes down ,top is full of limbs so this will be some knotty lumber up top school marm 011.JPG school marm 012.JPG school marm 016.JPG school marm 017.JPG school marm 018.JPG school marm 019.JPG
 
Here is a couple small ones grown together on my driveway ,these i would fall as single trees ,may have to rip between them before falling to get the stump lower ,i am not cutting these though give me privacy from the neighbor
school marm 020.JPG school marm 021.JPG
 
Cedar can be weird like this, they may be grown together good enough to fall at once, or they could just split off on ya, won't know until you cut em.

If possible fall the 2 big stems together with the seam perpendicular to the hold wood, this will hopefully hold them together long enough to hit the ground... hopefully...

For the little guy, cut him free and drag him out with the skid steer before messing with the other two.

It might be a good Idea to have a couple of tree jacks on hand for this one

PS have fun limbing it...
 
I'd say you'll definitely see two sets of rings on that stump, but they look calloused together pretty well. They should fall together ok, but don't be surprised if they separate on impact. Good luck buddy!
pic 3 is a 3rd tree growing out,should have 3 sets of rings ? ,i did a maple once had 8 stump rings after it was down
be nice if they separate on impact ,save me a lot of ripping work
 
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