THALL10326
The Champ
customer for life, i've got a doc. appointment wednesday, i'll let you know how long that'l be,
Awwwwwwww hell you got 75 more good years in ya so I'm not worried,
Bailey's 2007 = DOLMAR!!!!
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Awwwwwwww hell you got 75 more good years in ya so I'm not worried,
Wouldnt this constitute a on line sale, Tom? Whats wrong with your local Dolmar brick and mortar?
DOLMARatOs
ArboristSite Operative
I don't really have anything against Stihl and their equipment. My closest dealer doesn't follow my line of thinking as far as "service"{ is concerned but he has his own business to run.
I think it's more towards the fact that Stihl and Dolmar are very similar in many ways.
Quality, power, easy maintenance, not selling through mass-merchants, etc.
It just eats at me the way that people compare Dolmar to Stihl in one aspect then totally ignore the rest of the argument. Dolmar as we know it today is only 15 or 16 years in the making. They re-structured everything in the early 90's and again in 2005-2006. People expect overnight change. I have a lot of old timers that laugh about how back in the day if you said you had a Stihl saw....they'd ask if it was really heavy and why wasn't it made out of aluminum and by the way....what's the brand?
I see good and bad in every product line but I throw Husky out of the running because they sold out their dealers for marginal gains at the Box Stores.
The way I see it, it's more about a manufacturer being loyal to its dealer network than anything else. If Dolmar dumps on the dealers...i'll throw their saws in the dumpster and look for another line. They haven't done it to me yet so that's why we sell them.
And now I'll get off my soap-box.
Yes, I did. I say so from first hand expiereance waiting for Dolmar parts. The only one making ASSumptions is yourself.
Confidence is earned, not handed out. Maybe if the dealers and distributors had their **** together people would be confident in them. Of course that wont happen when dealers are making statements like the following:
15-16 years is ample time to get your **** together. In todays business climate you might only have a few years to turn it around or face bankruptcy.
The problem is as I see it is lots of talk and not much action.
BTW When Dolmar dropped LW Meyer as a distributor they also shafted my local Dolmar dealer who runs one of the best saws shops I have dealt with.
DOLMARatOs
ArboristSite Operative
I'd suggest buying a Husky or a Stihl. PLEASE.
I have heard about your favorite dealer and it sux. Here is my question: Would he not re-sign with Dolmar? I mean, if he likes the saws and equipment that Dolmar has to offer I'm sure that CPS (Central Power Systems is his IDN Distributor if he's in Michigan) would have re-signed him. The reason Dolmar dumped the old distributor network was due to the distributors themselves shafting dealers and the customers. While your dealer's distributor may have been excellent and got the shaft, the majority of the distribution was horrible at best. I remember when our "distributor" was a guy who kept a stock of equipment in his garage. HORRIBLE. Now we have MWE and they ship to dealers in 10 states!
The next evolution will be factory direct. This worked well for us with SNAPPER. Eliminated all the middle-men and the company can better guage how much equipment to build so that it isn't collecting dust in a warehouse.
I now understand your problem with Dolmar. If your buddy hasn't re-signed with CPS of his own accord it's his fault and if CPS is giving him the run-around then he should get on the horn and crack some skulls.
BWalker: What models of Dolmar saws are you currently running? What other saws do you own/use? I'm not picking a fight and this shadow-boxing is fun as long as we all remember that we're all on the same team. We're saw junkies. If we can go back and forth and have some fun it's great. If we start chopping away at each other then it gets hostile and people get offended.
Lets keep everything to facts and not let any personal attacks happen. I will be the first to apolagize for making a personal attack towards your spelling and grammar a few posts ago. I'm sorry. I think we all can be buddies.
Friends? or at least we can be 100% civil as we snipe each other. lol
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THALL10326
The Champ
No sir ree, no online nothing between Sugar and me. Is such a thing as a telephone ya know. Sugar and me tallk all the time. I respect him like my own pop, he's a great guy. There is a Dolmar dealer up in Winchester, about 40 miles from me. I have no clue what all they got, never been in the building. My Dolmar dealer is Sugar, no need for me to go anywhere else.
As for the 5100 he sold me it was his, not off the shelf. I was under the impression you can sell parts online so far as I'm concerned he can hook me up with anyhing I need. He broke no rules selling me his personal saw. In fact getting his personal 5100 makes me feel kinda special.
I cant recall why he did not resign after briggs took control, but I seem to think for some reason there was a conflict and he got sick of dealing with them. Cant say for certain.
I run Husky, Stihl and Redmax equipment. Sold my 7900 after having problems getting parts and a problem with the saw itself that was never resolved.
I run Husky, Stihl and Redmax equipment. Sold my 7900 after having problems getting parts and a problem with the saw itself that was never resolved.
Will you sell me a Stihl, if I call ya up?
THALL10326
The Champ
Sure will Ben, if its at home with me and its mine who's gonna stop me, hmmm. Now there are no brand new Stihl's out in the shed but some are mighty close to being like new, what model ya got in mind??
Sure Ben 066 or 660 Full or Half wrap............I think I have more then a couple of each..
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BIGBORE577
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As I've already stated, the present Dolmar support in my area stinks! It hasn't kept me from buying four of their saws though. I think their quality products were well worth the extra effort. I certainly did my part of complaining about all the previously discussed short comings. However, rather than wallow in self pity, bash the product or boycott them I decided to be pro-active. I went to a local OPE dealer/repair center and convinced him of the quality of the Dolmar line and how it would benefit him and all his potential Dolmar customers once the word got out. He deals primarily with large Landscapers in this area and is extremely successful with Echo and other lines. All the Tree Services along Lake Michigan here either use Stihl or Husqvarna for obvious reasons. I truly believe once the arborists and landscapers find out about this particular guy, things will change for Dolmars competition. He is a top notch operator willing to put in the time, effort and expense. He believes Mid-West Engine will be able to provide all the support he needs. Let's wish him the best. I for one believe he will succeed and I'd like to believe that me being proactive might have gotten the ball rolling. I don't like rolling over and giving up easily.
Jay
Jay
THALL10326
The Champ
Ben
I know what you was thinking but your wrong. Sugar and me are on the up and up, no rules have been broken.
While I'm at it here though let me tell ya a little story. This past year I had one single customer buy over 5 grand worth of Stihl from me. Last year(05) he bought 6 grand. This is just one customer now. One day another guy came in and somehow this guy knows the guy that bought all that Stihl from me. I asked him what in the world is he doing with all that Stihl he buys. He said he sells it. I thought well how in the hell does he make any money, I don't give him much off. He goes you'd be surprized what people will pay for a new Stihl. I thought oh well, good for him then.
Now tell me should I worry about what he does with it after he buys it?, I could care less. He's not hurting me in any fashion and the stuff is his so more power to him.
I know what you was thinking but your wrong. Sugar and me are on the up and up, no rules have been broken.
While I'm at it here though let me tell ya a little story. This past year I had one single customer buy over 5 grand worth of Stihl from me. Last year(05) he bought 6 grand. This is just one customer now. One day another guy came in and somehow this guy knows the guy that bought all that Stihl from me. I asked him what in the world is he doing with all that Stihl he buys. He said he sells it. I thought well how in the hell does he make any money, I don't give him much off. He goes you'd be surprized what people will pay for a new Stihl. I thought oh well, good for him then.
Now tell me should I worry about what he does with it after he buys it?, I could care less. He's not hurting me in any fashion and the stuff is his so more power to him.
THALL10326
The Champ
Good post there. You see the glass half full, not half empty, good for you...
DOLMARatOs
ArboristSite Operative
It's a free enterprise system. Just look at what "used" Stihl saws go for on eBay. Seems like everything with you and Sugar is on the up and up. And...I'm sure EVERYONE bends the rules a little. Stihl has a tendancy to sell equipment factory direct and cutting out the dealer as the middleman. I'm sure the Husky-RedMax team will do it also.
THALL10326
The Champ
Sure is. He and me talk mators and pumpkins, hell we have more fun doing that than talking saws. Ya might say I talked him out of his own saw. I figured what the hell he has plenty more he can buy,:hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange:
sugarbush
ArboristSite Guru
bwalker may be making a legitimate point about dealers not having enough stock. theres another dealer 12 miles from me that has one new saw in stock, a ps460.i stock 9 models and get next day delivery for what i don't have. but then i'm only 120 miles from the warehouse. if in some areas shipping is slow, it'll get better. setting up a net work good enough to appease eveyone won't be an easy task.
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DOLMARatOs
ArboristSite Operative
I agree. Right now I have 10 models of saws, plus bars and chains to make any available or optional bar length for any model. Plus I have a full selection of the handheld Dolmar equipment that sells well here.
I'm 86.2 miles from my distributor's closest warehouse but MWE has 4 warehouses to choose from. 1 day, 2 days and 3-4 days. I'm proud to be a Dolmar dealer and I know that ALL of my Dolmar customers are happy. I'll stand behind my Distributor until they stop standing behind me.
sugarbush
ArboristSite Guru
I had to edit my post, i have 9 models, i don't carry 3410th, 341 or 9010. but i think i'll start stocking the 3410th. when you sell the 5100 do you prefer .325 or 3/8?, need to do some test cuts.
