is this professional ?

[Gologit]

If I say a bad thing about firewood, they will come here.



Here we go....I find firewood cutters to be well, annoying to deal with.

Wait, wait....

It might take them awhile to show up. First they have to load ten saws...one for every conceiveable size of wood... twenty extra chains, three axes, five splitting mauls, two hundred feet of rope, forty gallons of gas, ten gallons of oil, two cell phones, a video camera with spare batteries, a GPS for when they get out of sight of the road, three logging chains, a couple of chokers, five fire extinguishers, two pair of genuine certified made in China logging boots, a Roger RamJet logging helmet, a huge first aid kit that they've never opened and don't really know the contents of and enough firearms and ammo to fight off the entire Lower Slobovian army, into a massive 4WD pickup with side racks, huge tires, and camo seat covers.

They're not all annoying. Some of them are pretty good. I can think of two. Maybe three.
They do get a little testy when we tell them that they can't cut wood on our ground except by prior permission. Maybe that has to do with past firewood cutter antics...like long butting our log decks, not knowing how to split tracks on wet haul roads, sport falling, flattening culvert ends, driving through re-prod, leaving their trash behind, driving around locked gates, target practice on advisory signs, and ignoring private property notices.
The one that annoyed us most was a guy who wrecked his pickup on our ground...after driving past several No Entry-Active Logging Area signs... misjudged a switch back, slid sideways in the road and got T-boned by a water truck. He tried to sue us. He wasn't successful.
Firewood cutters that want to heat their homes with wood and get a little exercise in the bargain are to be admired. We just don't want them around our place.

 

[rwoods]

Give us Firewooders a little credit. I would have at least made a face cut before I abandoned the tree. Maybe it was the work of a Chainsawer trying to cut a vertical cookie. Happy Thanksgiving all. Ron

 

[slowp]

My favorite bad guy story is a firewood cutter who got in my face after I told him he was not in a legal area to cut firewood in. Note that I could have taken info and given him a ticket instead of shooing him away. He was upset and started on with a political rant and informed me that I would be out of a job come November because they were taking the country back. I did not tell him that I would have my job until January, because that is when the inauguration is....

Now I are a firewood hack myself. And there was one guy who I shooed out of an area who actually thanked me for not writing a ticket. Many are misplaced and we do have very complicated rules. But we need to be courteous to each other during face to face contacts.

Then there was the unhappy logger who had his log deck ruined over a weekend. He muttered, (add expletives) "Why couldn't they have cut one log up at a time?" The cutters had lopped off the ends of many logs and ruined the lengths. I started actually painting NO WOODCUTTING on decks after that because signs get ripped off too easily.

The firewood cutters do help open up roads after storms though, unless the road is blocked by alders that are not of a record breaking size.

 

[nk14zp]

My favorite bad guy story is a firewood cutter who got in my face after I told him he was not in a legal area to cut firewood in. Note that I could have taken info and given him a ticket instead of shooing him away. He was upset and started on with a political rant and informed me that I would be out of a job come November because they were taking the country back. I did not tell him that I would have my job until January, because that is when the inauguration is....

Now I are a firewood hack myself. And there was one guy who I shooed out of an area who actually thanked me for not writing a ticket. Many are misplaced and we do have very complicated rules. But we need to be courteous to each other during face to face contacts.

Then there was the unhappy logger who had his log deck ruined over a weekend. He muttered, (add expletives) "Why couldn't they have cut one log up at a time?" The cutters had lopped off the ends of many logs and ruined the lengths. I started actually painting NO WOODCUTTING on decks after that because signs get ripped off too easily.

The firewood cutters do help open up roads after storms though, unless the road is blocked by alders that are not of a record breaking size.

We had the whole pile of hardwood veneer logs shortened up(one or two sticks of firewood cut from the end) one weekend

 

[Gologit]

We had the whole pile of hardwood veneer logs shortened up(one or two sticks of firewood cut from the end) one weekend

We've had that happen with fir and pine logs more than once. When they're decked they're already bucked to the length the mill wants and pays the most for.
We penciled in the amount of loss from firewood thieves and it was surprisingly high. Figuring in the devaluation of the log it was more than enough to amount to a felony.

 

[madhatte]

Our firewood cutters have a sense of entitlement second only to the cities who expect free christmas trees. It's actually a person's almost-full-time-job to keep them in the proper places on the proper decks. There's still plenty of theft; always of the "dump the tree across the road and only take what's convenient" kind. They're usually only helpful after storms.

 

[rwoods]

Since I married into a Yankee family where Dinner is thought to be the evening meal, I had a little time on my hands since my last post so I went and cut a handful of trees. At the risk of having my license to visit here revoked, I'll continue this post with a few pictures and commentary.

An example of why FireWooders flourish in the absence of pulpwood cutters:

Small cherry (picture does not do its curvaceous figure justice) succumbs to Eastern FW Humboldt:
*

Patented slow and easy fall FW side wedge:



FW natural falling vine for limb locked wee ones:



Very valuable Black Walnut:




Ron

* Also an example of why I prefer to cut alone. 17 different cutters would have come up with 17 different assessments of the lean and the proper approach.

 

[eigermike]

ok guys i am curently trying to get awnsers from the forest service but so far lotts of run around! what you guys dont see is all the green trees that they cut and all the danger ones that they left! it is just crazy.

 

[eigermike]

 

[eigermike]

yes there is a cuvlert there!

 

[eigermike]

 

[rwoods]

Just a little more:

A proper FW always tries to turn the tree to the left to be able to justify cutting the far hinge thin or off - its the natural arc of the saw isn't it. Believe this is oak.



I hesitate to show these pictures of some of my recreational experimentation for fear some other trespasser here will copy and get hurt. Not worried about you guys as you know what you are doing and/or are so hardheaded and tough that you would likely survive a mishap.

FW progressive barber chairs in unidentified tree. Actually it was purposeful for a slow and easy fall.



One reason to practice progressive barber chairs - cocked and ready spring pole:



Seven cut to length "logs" under tension (could only get 5 in the picture):



Pictures for those who insist that there is no vertical movement in un-severed fibers. The first is the stump showing a fairly level cut despite the progressive barber chairs and the second is the end of the stem showing what otherwise appears among the pulled fibers to be a stepped cut.



Ron

 

[slowp]

ok guys i am curently trying to get awnsers from the forest service but so far lotts of run around! what you guys dont see is all the green trees that they cut and all the danger ones that they left! it is just crazy.

The Forest service is closed today. What kind of runaround are you getting on a day it is closed? Speaking to dispatch? I'm not even sure if they are at work. Something is fishy in Sweden.

 

[2dogs]

It might take them awhile to show up. First they have to load ten saws...one for every conceiveable size of wood... twenty extra chains, three axes, five splitting mauls, two hundred feet of rope, forty gallons of gas, ten gallons of oil, two cell phones, a video camera with spare batteries, a GPS for when they get out of sight of the road, three logging chains, a couple of chokers, five fire extinguishers, two pair of genuine certified made in China logging boots, a Roger RamJet logging helmet, a huge first aid kit that they've never opened and don't really know the contents of and enough firearms and ammo to fight off the entire Lower Slobovian army, into a massive 4WD pickup with side racks, huge tires, and camo seat covers.

They're not all annoying. Some of them are pretty good. I can think of two. Maybe three.
They do get a little testy when we tell them that they can't cut wood on our ground except by prior permission. Maybe that has to do with past firewood cutter antics...like long butting our log decks, not knowing how to split tracks on wet haul roads, sport falling, flattening culvert ends, driving through re-prod, leaving their trash behind, driving around locked gates, target practice on advisory signs, and ignoring private property notices.
The one that annoyed us most was a guy who wrecked his pickup on our ground...after driving past several No Entry-Active Logging Area signs... misjudged a switch back, slid sideways in the road and got T-boned by a water truck. He tried to sue us. He wasn't successful.
Firewood cutters that want to heat their homes with wood and get a little exercise in the bargain are to be admired. We just don't want them around our place.

Uh-oh. I'm starting to rub off on Bob.

 

[eigermike]

nothing fishy going on. just hard to get awnsers ive been on this for a while will see what happens!

 

[nk14zp]

* Also an example of why I prefer to cut alone. 17 different cutters would have come up with 17 different assessments of the lean and the proper approach.

A tree can't be read from a pic.

 

[nk14zp]

ok guys i am curently trying to get awnsers from the forest service but so far lotts of run around! what you guys dont see is all the green trees that they cut and all the danger ones that they left! it is just crazy.

Some times dead standing trees are left as habitat trees if they don't pose a safety threat.

 

[slowp]

nothing fishy going on. just hard to get awnsers ive been on this for a while will see what happens!

So who did you call yesterday? Just curious.

 

[rwoods]

A tree can't be read from a pic.

And sometimes they can't be read from the ground.

The secondary point of my original post being that trees can be read differently by different folks and how you read a tree determines your approach. All 17 of my hypothetical cutters could read this tree differently but all could put it down where they wanted.

The primary point of my post was FWs cut trash trees that a hand faller logger would avoid.

Ron

 

[Gologit]

Some times dead standing trees are left as habitat trees if they don't pose a safety threat.

Yes they are. They shouldn't be though. A dead standing tree is a safety threat and belongs on the ground.