Huztl MS660

[tbohn]

I ordered a 036 kit. Really curious how that will turn out. Also since I wasn't thrilled with the last set of 56mm top ends I got for my last set of 54mm MS660's, I hunted around for the ones I had received 2 years ago and that have really performed well over this period of time. THINK and thats a qualified "think" I found some. I ordered one, received it in the mail; and it LOOKS like the ones I really liked...here is the eBay link if anyone is interested:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/222318574079?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

I'm going to tweak it a bit and put this one on "Bling" saw to see if its a match of the first 56mm's I had build a while back. I still had one from the past from the original set for the project saws of that time and put them side by side...didn't measure, but by eye they look the same. Really made my day. If it IS the right casting and cylinder, I'll convert the rest of my 660's (Except for the one with the Cross 54mm top end for now) over to these and buy a spare just in case the quality of one isn't the best..the two actually three 56mm top ends now that I don't like will end up in the scrap pile, even though they ran.

Tweaks?? I'll cut the base to reduce the squish, but only until the "free port" is .015" No more and I'll just live with the squish I end up with. Raise the intake as much as I can without risking snagging a ring, the short piston skirt makes it look like you can raise it a lot...but you can't. Might do what folks did in the past and raise it on the sides, leaving a bit in the middle to support the bottom ring. Make the intake symmetric and break all the edges on all the ports. Open the transfers as much as i can...might even put in a finger....we will see. Widen the exhaust but not change the timing just yet on any of the ports. This is more about cleaning things up. Have to wait until my shop is finished though...even might paint the muffler.

HOPING all have their projects up and running..and making chips.

Do you know what coating is lining the bore?

 

[blsnelling]

no ones actually upset. your missing the point. well actually it does not matter if you miss the point. hereforward they are not clones. see a clone is why we all rushed to buy them, a good saw that would last a long time and you could get replacement parts at your local stihl store. now you might need 30% oem to get a good runner, a lot of us got some good runners with only a few oem parts and the other parts were stout.

there are 83 great reasons to be disappointed.

Why are you so stuck on defining these as clones or not clones? They are what they are, cheap Chinese copies/clones/or whatever you want to call them. You seem as though you want to hold them to an OEM standards and pay Chinese clone prices. I don't get it.

 

[Bedford T]

Well I am unclear on why you care. You would not sully your hands with one so what you think about my intentions don't weigh heavy on my heart. I made it clear in my posts why the standard matters and you are invited to reread the whole posts and try not to skim them.

I accomplished a lot. I am not taking the bait.

 

[Ozhoo]

Do you know what coating is lining the bore?

Everything that I've seen has been NikaSil.

 

[weimedog]

Do you know what coating is lining the bore?

Not yet. I'll let u know when it shows...prolly in another thread

 

[Bedford T]

did everybody notice this is Chinese new year and they are partying until first of February. man, we should learn something from these other countries and chill more.

 

[SeMoTony]

Wanna screw a muffler up. They sell this stuff so you can fix the aftermarket mufflers.

So you saved the cost of a dual port cover by using SS screen to open ALL the way up ??? At least they may still let U cut in U S Nat'l Forest w/spark arrest screen across Opened up muffler

 

[Bedford T]

Yes, I got the screen for my 029 project muffler mod and to use on the 660 when i made another muffler and the forest service was that force. We have all these options with the kits and i look at every angle thats sort of the fun in it.

did you guys notice how cheap the case cracker got? lots of people paid over 70$ for thing.
http://www.huztl.net/CRANKCASE-SPLI...FOR-STIHL-HUSQVARNA-502-51-61-01-p225734.html

 

[Chris3558]

Here is the Chinese Holidays for the next two months so you can plan your saw orders accordingly. I think they have like 49 holidays a year!!!

 

[Bedford T]

Farmertec wrote a nice email last night and went into detail how the copy process works for them. That's not to say other companies operate the way. He is having his engineering look into the brake thing. Does anyone have detailed photos you can send me?

On shipping he also mentioned customs. Both countries have them. After it ships random inspections from either or both customs can cause shipping delays just because they want to take a look. That can happen on any and every shipments from and to any country

 

[Chris3558]

Farmertec wrote a nice email last night and went into detail how the copy process works for them. That's not to say other companies operate the way. He is having his engineering look into the brake thing. Does anyone have detailed photos you can send me?

On shipping he also mentioned customs. Both countries have them. After it ships random inspections from either or both customs can cause shipping delays just because they want to take a look. That can happen on any and every shipments from and to any country

As far as the shipping, I just received my 2nd MS660 today. Ordered it on Jan 3rd and 9 days later it was at my door! The first one took 10 days total. This 2nd one looks a littler more beat up? The box was damaged on one end and some of the parts are scratched up. The handle assembly, one corner got chipped.

The Chain brake assembly I bought a Stihl chain link lever to compare the two. The Stihl chain link lever works perfect with the kit handle and all the rest of the parts, no "redneck mods" needed. They look very close as far as parts go, but the geometry is different and that does make all the difference. I have a pic of both of them on a piece of paper with grid lines and if you look closely, the link position on the Stihl part "A" is about in the middle, on the Farmertec it a bit more towards the top. Also it looks like on the Stihl part "A", that arm is slightly longer? Farmertec suppliers need to disassemble a Stihl chain brake lever, measure every feature and copy the geometry exact.

 

[tbohn]

As far as the shipping, I just received my 2nd MS660 today. Ordered it on Jan 3rd and 9 days later it was at my door! The first one took 10 days total. This 2nd one looks a littler more beat up? The box was damaged on one end and some of the parts are scratched up. The handle assembly, one corner got chipped.

The Chain brake assembly I bought a Stihl chain link lever to compare the two. The Stihl chain link lever works perfect with the kit handle and all the rest of the parts, no "redneck mods" needed. They look very close as far as parts go, but the geometry is different and that does make all the difference. I have a pic of both of them on a piece of paper with grid lines and if you look closely, the link position on the Stihl part "A" is about in the middle, on the Farmertec it a bit more towards the top. Also it looks like on the Stihl part "A", that arm is slightly longer? Farmertec suppliers need to disassemble a Stihl chain brake lever, measure every feature and copy the geometry exact.

Huztl will offer a refund of $10 or so for the damage. They will tell you that their engineer says it does not affect the function of the part. That is their standard answer.

 

[Bedford T]

Chris you done good, trboxman reminded me we needed to address the damage caused by inadequate packing just a few hours ago. do you have more photos or just the label if thats is the extent. pm me with the label photo. write them and send them copies of the label and the two photos of the shipping damage. be clear and nice and leave it alone. tell them what you want done.

your post on the chain brake is very helpful too. i will save a copy and we will make a specific separate issue with him on the brake, I will go with the brake issue on Friday because thats downright important and pass your excellent work on to him. i explained the issue to him but I did not have an example and i learned my lesson but you fixed that. we are not dealing with a worker bee. i need to pick the battles and make a sound case every single time and i feel it will get fixed...without being needy. so i will collect this and present maybe twice a month and report back on the result. i just finished a back and forth of epic portion, i need a breather.

i suspect that his under-leans we not reporting all the issues or the customers were not telling them. so i will send the boss the same thing you send them in your email to customer service and we will see how this works out. in this case the left hand will know what the right knows.

an remember it is that holiday so i am not clear on what you may hear. if you get a dumb answer just sit tight

an tell me what you asked for, maybe even cut and paste the statement in the email

 

[Bedford T]

Huztl will offer a refund of $10 or so for the damage. They will tell you that their engineer says it does not affect the function of the part. That is their standard answer.

that has been the standard answer. but they are using inadequate packing.

if it were mine i would tell them from the start in my email with the 3 photos that the damage is unslightly and the packing of the shipment was inadequate and i was not willing to except anything other than an immediate replacement.

 

[MustangMike]

Don't have time to read all the posts, but can you guys tell me if the starter recoils are holding up OK? Looks like I may have to get some for some MS 460s, so I just wanted some feedback.

Thanks.

 

[Bedford T]

ok guys this is the meat of the email. i did not wait. please follow what I said @Chris3558

"Sorry to write back so soon. I need to correct two things. First, I said the 660 case was a problem and thought it was a pin, it was actually the brake part, I am sorry. The farmertec part is unsafe and requires an oem part to work. You asked if I had seen it and I got it cleared up and their are 3 photos included so we can be specific. Would you look into it please?


Second item is shipping damage the box is to thin for the ride. Customer service almost always wants to negotiate a partial refund everyone would prefer a pretty saw. I was not certain whether you were aware of it? It happens repeatedly for the reason I gave. I asked the latest customer to nicely contact customer service and give them 3 good photos one of the label and box damage and part damage and tell them how you want it handled. Be sure and tell them you feel it was because there was not enough packing. After you notify them and they give you a unhelpful response let me know and I will let my guy know and ask him to see the situation (photos) so it can be resolved. But nicely give customer service a chance to handle it. They will have to talk to someone to solve it they don't do shipping."

my guy does shipping and customer service . i download your brake photos and they are in his email

 

[tbohn]

Don't have time to read all the posts, but can you guys tell me if the starter recoils are holding up OK? Looks like I may have to get some for some MS 460s, so I just wanted some feedback.

Thanks.

I have not had any issues with the 660 recoils. One of mine is a 56mm with no base gasket. The compression force is so strong, I can't pull it over without the decomp active. The decomp seats half way through pulling the saw over. I sheared a keyway trying to get it started the second time out.

I fully expected something to give on the recoil but it is still going strong.

The recoil on my 440 kit had a broken pawl on delivery. The little pin on pawl that rides in the wire was broken off in the shipping bag. Not sure that indicates a problem in the quality or just poor shipping practices.

 

[Bedford T]

Don't have time to read all the posts, but can you guys tell me if the starter recoils are holding up OK? Looks like I may have to get some for some MS 460s, so I just wanted some feedback.
Thanks.

they are expecting some 440 in the next week next door and will be great to see several. chris just got another and said stuff looked good. on my 660 and on davhuls we replaced the rope and rotor. my pawls and spring looked fine, the compression was enormous on mine. the 440 might come with springy elastostart handle. the starter is magnesium with a steel post so even if you replace the fittings you will still save 100$

 

[Bedford T]

Fast action. I got word this morning that both issues will receive immediate attention.

But @Chris3558 still needs to contact customer service and make them aware so he can get a handle that is not damaged.

He was delighted to see it was the brake lever not the case and said he would see that the parts were protected for the ride.
Remember things like this can take more than a day. Trboxman said they could just secure the crank and go a long way.

 

[Bedford T]

you guys see this they are honoring their word. no more guessing on shipping. wish all companies committed to improvement.