Not saying it doesn't work. I'm just not going to test it out milling.
661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?
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No they dont. One post I am pointing out that most of the highest certified oils are blends and in the other I am pointing out that despite the common thought that full synthetics are better than blends, some blends are better than full synthetics.
Tantamount to chainsaw torture..
I consider 20:1 for milling.
I am sure it would. It's just my preferance to use pre mix oils in premix applications.
One thing to consider with injector oils. Most injector systems Put out no to very little at Idle, but really pour the oil to the motor at full throttle. My last sled was a Skidoo 800 and if I was on the gas all day riding rail bed trails it hand figured out to a bit more oil than 20:1. AS a result of the quantity of oil you have alittle cushion as far as protection goes that you don't with a premix application that is fixed at say 40:1. Of course the newer injector systems on the emissions compliant motors probaly oil less,but they are designed for that with features like crank bearings that are sealed with grease so they aren't lubricated by the injector oil.
FWIW I ran Citgo Sea and Snow(@$8.99 a gallon back then) in the sled above and put 7500 miles on it using that oil only. That particular engine had a poor ring design and ate pistons and rings often in very few miles. I attribute the long life of my motor to the fact it oiled heavy from the factory and that I never fooled with the oiler. Many friends did because they deemed the oil consumption excessive and they paid the price.
KG441c
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Whole thread has become a marketing and popularity show!!! Lol!!
I have gone as low as 25:1 in ported saws that I used for milling since I didn't need the biggest saw to cut it.
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So who's testing what this next week?
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junk? nope the semi syn oil benefits from all fronts
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tried a 545 my dad bought with 800 motul at 32:1 it would kinda of bog and run a little funny WOT.
dumped his husky xp 50:1 back in it and ran it a few more times problem solved.
strange? tried my mix which is lucas at 32:1 it was fine i guess the 2 yr old stocker don't like motul 800.
dumped his husky xp 50:1 back in it and ran it a few more times problem solved.
strange? tried my mix which is lucas at 32:1 it was fine i guess the 2 yr old stocker don't like motul 800.
KenJax Tree
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Its too thick for the AT to compensate for like H1-R. My AT saws seem to run the best at 40:1ish so i gotta run em all on what the AT likes.
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My 362c is the same way.
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but it ran fine with lucas at 32:1 is motul really that thick?
KenJax Tree
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Yeah its pretty thick
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besides it not liking the thick oil im mighty impressed over the performance.
the chain is lack luster but the saw is awesome.
the chain is lack luster but the saw is awesome.
KenJax Tree
Terraphobic
Yeah they're nice saws
I won't get any testing done. Got to work the next few weeks. Might order some 2R and try it when I get time next.
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We should be 5k posts and 200 pages into this thread by then[emoji1]
RonL
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I just left a site that was trying to settle a simple problem to come to this site, which is trying to solve an extremely complex problem. The other site was trying to determine the formulation for calculating the number of angels on the head of a pin. This is an oil thread.
I think people are losing sight of the fact that 2 cycle oils are a combination of base oil or oils and an add package. The entire package works together to determine the outcome. Some people are focusing on one aspect of the oil to make conclusions that are not valid when one considers how the entire package, when added to the fuel, works for the designated purpose.
The other thing that one must consider, that was pointed out to me some time ago, is the migration of oil through the the engine. I use the same saw for felling and then limbing the tree. The oil that works well at wide open throttle may foul at idle. The oil that works well at idle may provide inadequate protection at full throttle. When felling and limbing the oil that works well at idle may provide adequate oil protection at full throttle until the excess oil that has collected in the crankcase depletes itself. I am using Motul 710 2T at 32 to 1 currently. If I was milling, where the saw is at full throttle for extended periods of time, I would probably use Motul 800 off road or even Motul on road.
I think people are losing sight of the fact that 2 cycle oils are a combination of base oil or oils and an add package. The entire package works together to determine the outcome. Some people are focusing on one aspect of the oil to make conclusions that are not valid when one considers how the entire package, when added to the fuel, works for the designated purpose.
The other thing that one must consider, that was pointed out to me some time ago, is the migration of oil through the the engine. I use the same saw for felling and then limbing the tree. The oil that works well at wide open throttle may foul at idle. The oil that works well at idle may provide inadequate protection at full throttle. When felling and limbing the oil that works well at idle may provide adequate oil protection at full throttle until the excess oil that has collected in the crankcase depletes itself. I am using Motul 710 2T at 32 to 1 currently. If I was milling, where the saw is at full throttle for extended periods of time, I would probably use Motul 800 off road or even Motul on road.
RonL
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As I said before, i think that the oil engineers at any of the top teir oil producers are capable of formulating oils that are comepletely adequate for the purpose at hand. I don't think that the differences between the top tier oil producers is significant enough to state that one is the "best". What is "best" is subject to interpretation. Do due diligence and be happy with your choice.
