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Hello everyone,
This is my first post so I guess that makes me a greenhorn on the site...
Anyways, I have a brave 28 ton (underrated I was told, probably about 30-32 tons) log splitter with a Barnes 16 gpm 2 stage pump. The engine that it came with is an 8hp briggs and stratton horizontal shaft, with a 3 1/2" shaft. I bought a Briggs 11HP motor to swap out for the 8hp, but it has a shorter shaft than the 8hp the splitter came with. It is about 2 7/8" vs about 3.5" on the 8HP motor.
I have tried to install the pump but the original 'BRAVE' mounting bracket is too long for this 11 hp engine. This bracket measures 5 3/8" in length.
So I think I need the 4 7/8" bracket that Northern sells correct? Is this the proper bracket? Do I have to buy a new bracket???
Then even after putting that bracket on there I will have to move the lovejoy connector exactly 1/8" beyond the end of the shaft on the 11hp replacement engine. I think that should do it, and I will be fine. (5 3/8 minus 4 7/8 is 1/2 inch or 4/8" so I need another 1/8" to make the 2 lovejoy connectors mate up solid, and I just slipped the connector on the engine 1/8" beyond the shorter shaft to make up for it and took all my measurements)
So I am just looking for some confirmation that I am correct in my calculations, the 11HP is model # 252412, type 551501, code 92040310, it looks very similar to the engine I am replacing but there are a few minor differences, it is also 11hp vs 8hp, and in a lot better shape than the old original 8hp.
(They are both the older style engines, all black, same logos on the recoil housing, almost identical in appearance)
I want to keep the original bracket and the original 8hp engine, as I am sort of particular about keeping things original even if you make modifications, you keep the stock parts also. (Just in case it won't work with the 11hp for some reason) It is the same shaft diameter, 1", keyed shaft, and just about 5/8" shorter than the 8hp is all. (The 8HP motor needs a new/used carb housing and air filter, and starter recoil, by the way)
I think I have to buy the shorter bracket as I can not make up the difference with any lovejoy connectors or any other gizmo's I can find. Is there a way to hook this up without buying the shorter mounting bracket? A lovejoy coupler? Or a crankshaft extension of some type? And it is only 5/8" to make up, so ring collars and all that might get in the way of a good fit, but I could also put spacers on the end of the 5 3/8 bracket to get a 1" keyed shaft extension on there with a ring collar... (I do not have pictures of this, sorry)
The bracket is going to cost about 80$ after shipping and that just seems like a crying shame to spend that much but I will if I have to.
Basically my engine shaft is too short and I need some way of adding 5/8" to make it up but the lovejoy's do not seem to have enough room to do that, and the lovejoy on the pump is rusted on, frozen to the pump shaft basically. I think the bracket might be the best way to go, but if anyone knows another way I can do this, short of welding, I would appreciate it. (I thought of an extra thick lovejoy connector on the pump or engine might make up the difference somehow, but I cannot figure this out, as they all seem to be about the same length to me)
I also figure people in this forum know what I am talking about, or I sure hope someone does, but I am being overly detailed to make sure it is clear.
I don't think I want to disconnect the pump as I drained the fluid before I did all this work. A pump with a longer shaft would do it also. (but more expensive than a new mounting bracket)
It just seems that there has to be some way to connect this, without buying a new bracket! I just am not seeing or finding it on google, or my searches on here.
And the only other issue is if that motor will work with the splitter, but I am pretty sure it just needs to spin at the right rpm, as I have been told the pump doesn't care about the extra 3HP, but the minumum HP for a 2 stage 16gpm pump is an 8hp and I even called brave about this and they said up to 11hp would work.
I got lucky finding this engine out of a pressure washer, but the shaft is not the same as the 8HP, and the mounting bolts to secure the engine to the log splitter chassis are slightly different but still align so I can mount the engine solidly.
I am not supposed to post links on this site so it is the "Concentric/Haldex engine to pump bracket 4 7/8" length" with the 6" diameter bolt pattern on the engine. (As opposed to the 3.5 or so on the smaller engines) Also my pump has the 4 bolt pattern, not the 2 bolt.
I guess I will stop here and check back later. Thanks for any advice on this issue, I really appreciate it. I am going to do some research on the engine now, and sign out of the site.
I am in the Seattle area also, so if anyone who knows where I can get parts around here, I would appreciate it. (A Hydraulic's supplier is what I am guessing) I need a "shaft extenstion of some type" or the shorter mounting bracket for 80$ and I have to have that shipped to Seattle.
So I guess I got the "short shaft" is what I am jokingly saying! I am hoping there is an easy fix... Thanks if anyone knows the part I need for less than 80 bucks and shipping time to Seattle... and where I can get the part also! I could cut my bracket and reweld it, but that seems like it would cost more than 80$ and then I am "desecrating" the holy log splitter... Just looking for some ideas and comments, jokes, etc... Thanks again,
CJ
This is my first post so I guess that makes me a greenhorn on the site...
Anyways, I have a brave 28 ton (underrated I was told, probably about 30-32 tons) log splitter with a Barnes 16 gpm 2 stage pump. The engine that it came with is an 8hp briggs and stratton horizontal shaft, with a 3 1/2" shaft. I bought a Briggs 11HP motor to swap out for the 8hp, but it has a shorter shaft than the 8hp the splitter came with. It is about 2 7/8" vs about 3.5" on the 8HP motor.
I have tried to install the pump but the original 'BRAVE' mounting bracket is too long for this 11 hp engine. This bracket measures 5 3/8" in length.
So I think I need the 4 7/8" bracket that Northern sells correct? Is this the proper bracket? Do I have to buy a new bracket???
Then even after putting that bracket on there I will have to move the lovejoy connector exactly 1/8" beyond the end of the shaft on the 11hp replacement engine. I think that should do it, and I will be fine. (5 3/8 minus 4 7/8 is 1/2 inch or 4/8" so I need another 1/8" to make the 2 lovejoy connectors mate up solid, and I just slipped the connector on the engine 1/8" beyond the shorter shaft to make up for it and took all my measurements)
So I am just looking for some confirmation that I am correct in my calculations, the 11HP is model # 252412, type 551501, code 92040310, it looks very similar to the engine I am replacing but there are a few minor differences, it is also 11hp vs 8hp, and in a lot better shape than the old original 8hp.
(They are both the older style engines, all black, same logos on the recoil housing, almost identical in appearance)
I want to keep the original bracket and the original 8hp engine, as I am sort of particular about keeping things original even if you make modifications, you keep the stock parts also. (Just in case it won't work with the 11hp for some reason) It is the same shaft diameter, 1", keyed shaft, and just about 5/8" shorter than the 8hp is all. (The 8HP motor needs a new/used carb housing and air filter, and starter recoil, by the way)
I think I have to buy the shorter bracket as I can not make up the difference with any lovejoy connectors or any other gizmo's I can find. Is there a way to hook this up without buying the shorter mounting bracket? A lovejoy coupler? Or a crankshaft extension of some type? And it is only 5/8" to make up, so ring collars and all that might get in the way of a good fit, but I could also put spacers on the end of the 5 3/8 bracket to get a 1" keyed shaft extension on there with a ring collar... (I do not have pictures of this, sorry)
The bracket is going to cost about 80$ after shipping and that just seems like a crying shame to spend that much but I will if I have to.
Basically my engine shaft is too short and I need some way of adding 5/8" to make it up but the lovejoy's do not seem to have enough room to do that, and the lovejoy on the pump is rusted on, frozen to the pump shaft basically. I think the bracket might be the best way to go, but if anyone knows another way I can do this, short of welding, I would appreciate it. (I thought of an extra thick lovejoy connector on the pump or engine might make up the difference somehow, but I cannot figure this out, as they all seem to be about the same length to me)
I also figure people in this forum know what I am talking about, or I sure hope someone does, but I am being overly detailed to make sure it is clear.
I don't think I want to disconnect the pump as I drained the fluid before I did all this work. A pump with a longer shaft would do it also. (but more expensive than a new mounting bracket)
It just seems that there has to be some way to connect this, without buying a new bracket! I just am not seeing or finding it on google, or my searches on here.
And the only other issue is if that motor will work with the splitter, but I am pretty sure it just needs to spin at the right rpm, as I have been told the pump doesn't care about the extra 3HP, but the minumum HP for a 2 stage 16gpm pump is an 8hp and I even called brave about this and they said up to 11hp would work.
I got lucky finding this engine out of a pressure washer, but the shaft is not the same as the 8HP, and the mounting bolts to secure the engine to the log splitter chassis are slightly different but still align so I can mount the engine solidly.
I am not supposed to post links on this site so it is the "Concentric/Haldex engine to pump bracket 4 7/8" length" with the 6" diameter bolt pattern on the engine. (As opposed to the 3.5 or so on the smaller engines) Also my pump has the 4 bolt pattern, not the 2 bolt.
I guess I will stop here and check back later. Thanks for any advice on this issue, I really appreciate it. I am going to do some research on the engine now, and sign out of the site.
I am in the Seattle area also, so if anyone who knows where I can get parts around here, I would appreciate it. (A Hydraulic's supplier is what I am guessing) I need a "shaft extenstion of some type" or the shorter mounting bracket for 80$ and I have to have that shipped to Seattle.
So I guess I got the "short shaft" is what I am jokingly saying! I am hoping there is an easy fix... Thanks if anyone knows the part I need for less than 80 bucks and shipping time to Seattle... and where I can get the part also! I could cut my bracket and reweld it, but that seems like it would cost more than 80$ and then I am "desecrating" the holy log splitter... Just looking for some ideas and comments, jokes, etc... Thanks again,
CJ