Build more fence or move to the country? A**hat neighbors...

[Rudedog]

I'm lucky too. My 69 acres are at the end of a dead end dirt road. Nobody ever complains about anything. I stack my wood where I want it and can run my saws and equipment anytime I want to.

Man ..... if I had that 69 acres at the end of a dirt road I'd be chasing my barefoot and naked wife all over my land. I wish I wasn't such a city slicker.

 

[russhd1997]

Man ..... if I had that 69 acres at the end of a dirt road I'd be chasing my barefoot and naked wife all over my land. I wish I wasn't such a city slicker.

He He He! My wife used to be a city girl. She was scared to move to the country when we first moved here. She says she could never live in the city again now.

 

[Rudedog]

He He He! My wife used to be a city girl. She was scared to move to the country when we first moved here. She says she could never live in the city again now.

Trust me. Yesterday I was hitting up Darkbyrd for ideas in Western Carolina. I really want to move to Northeast Tennessee. Just high enough in elevation that we get some snow.

 

[Mac88]

Man ..... if I had that 69 acres at the end of a dirt road I'd be chasing my barefoot and naked wife all over my land. I wish I wasn't such a city slicker.

That condition IS curable. We live on a couple acres but have pretty close neighbors. We won't be here forever.
I have the same mindset as russhd1997. I'd just as soon my nearest neighbor lived in the next county.

 

[stihly dan]

I left town livin' near 30 years ago, and never looked back.
It doesn't work for me, I just can't play the game.

I'm choosy about who I call a friend, and just 'cause you're a neighbor don't make us friends, or even friendly for that matter... and you sure the heck ain't borrowing something from me just 'cause you live next door. If I've got something to say, you're gonna' hear it, and I really don't care if your feelings get hurt... and if I don't like you, or your wife, or your kids, you're gonna' be real clear on that also.

The last place I lived in town the neighbor had a party one winter night and several of the guests parked their vehicles on my yard... one of them driving over a small tree I'd planted earlier in the year. I used the front bumper of my 4x4 to move those vehicles into the middle of the street. It wasn't pretty, and as you can imagine the town cops were called to the scene... where they found me sitting on the tailgate with a shotgun. When they questioned me I told them I wasn't sayin' anything ... but if they planned on arresting me they better do the same to those drunks out in the street gettin' behind the wheel and startin' up them cars or there'd be real problems.

I moved into the country the next spring.

I can't believe you didn't get along with your old neighbors. You get along so well with everyone here on AS.

 

[zogger]

Move to the country where it is zoned ag. MUCH less BS. Plus, you can do so much more on your own spread, and it will be much more livable as our society undergoes all the "interesting" changes ahead..

 

[rwoods]

Trust me. Yesterday I was hitting up Darkbyrd for ideas in Western Carolina. I really want to move to Northeast Tennessee. Just high enough in elevation that we get some snow.

Better move to WNC as meaningful snow has been pretty scarce around here for a long time. Ron

 

[stihly dan]

Quit tellen people to move to the country! more people move to the country, more country turns into city. No offense, just sayen.

 

[kugss]

I dont want to start anything but, she is complaining about your wood on someone elses property. You are complaining about her fence on your property and you both have the same strom door, sounds like a great place to live.


Why is there even property lines if nobody uses them?

 

[3fordasho]

Here is a pic from the center of the ally looking straight down the ally. The partial row of wood is what spurred the call from her.
I guess it's ok for her to cross the ally with a fence in two places, have that table in the middle of the ally and also have her stuff on the quarrys property... but if I want a row of wood back there... look out!

Tree line at the left (& windmill) is the left edge of the ally, wood stack to the right of the ally, wood stack to chainlink and beyond is quarry.



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[Whitespider]

…the wood that is stacked along that ally is not actually on my property, it's on the other side of the ally on the local quarry's property (along their chain link fence). Now the quarry couldn't give a rat's a** about that...

Why is there even property lines if nobody uses them?

That’s what I was thinking.


The wood isn’t on your property?
A couple of points…
First, if some kids are crawling around on that pile of wood and get hurt, or if some runs into it with their car, or whatever, you’re gonna’ be in a world of hurt. You’ve increased your liability concern 100-fold because you have no control over who enters that property, or what they do on that property. Even if you have permission to stack it there you have no control… and if you don’t have specific permission, and something does happen, the quarry owner is gonna’ dump on you big-time. Either way, doubtful your homeowners insurance is gonna’ stand very tight with you.
Second, you can’t defend your firewood because it’s not on your property… technically you can’t even file a theft report if it goes missing. You have nothing to legally show the wood belongs to you (remember, possession is nine-tenths of the law)… in the eyes of the law that wood belongs to the quarry. Really, there isn’t anything stopping me from driving up and loading up… unless the quarry wants to get involved. Believe it or not, if you go grab an armload of that wood and carry it onto your property, the quarry can claim you stole their property.
Third, if a property line battle ever does get started your chances of coming out on top are pretty slim (unless you have specific permission from the quarry). Any lawyer, even a halfwit lawyer, can easily prove you yourself have no respect for property lines, and that ignoring them has been the status quo in your neighborhood for many years (your wood, neighbor’s fence and A/C unit). Any credibility you may have had will be gone in an instant.

If I were you I wouldn’t be making any calls until I went back and made sure I had dotted all my “I’s” and crossed all my “T’s”.


Addendum; to be clear…
If I have a load of firewood on my truck and I pull onto someone else’s property and dump it without permission the property owner can do one of two things…

1. He can have me charged with trespassing and illegal dumping and hold me liable for cleanup costs as well as any damage and/or injuries resulting from the dumping or cleanup.
2. He can claim the firewood as his property.

Either way, I ain’t getting’ my firewood back.

 

[3fordasho]

Well you have some good points. I am the only on that has driven back there for the last 25 years. The city just admitted it was an ally about 2 months ago. Neither the city or quarry have done any maintenance along it in maybe 20 years (since the chainlink was put in) we've had to maintain it. As you can see from the pic I posted the ally is not though, it's blocked on the one end by overgrowth. I was about the last one in the neighborhood to have "something" on the quarrys property but your right that doesn't make it technically right. Maybe I should just put a fence across it.... seems to have worked for her.....

The property line issue is not along the ally so I don't think she has a leg to stand on.

That’s what I was thinking.


The wood isn’t on your property?
A couple of points…
First, if some kids are crawling around on that pile of wood and get hurt, or if some runs into it with their car, or whatever, you’re gonna’ be in a world of hurt. You’ve increased your liability concern 100-fold because you have no control over who enters that property, or what they do on that property. Even if you have permission to stack it there you have no control… and if you don’t have specific permission, and something does happen, the quarry owner is gonna’ dump on you big-time. Either way, doubtful your homeowners insurance is gonna’ stand very tight with you.
Second, you can’t defend your firewood because it’s not on your property… technically you can’t even file a theft report if it goes missing. You have nothing to legally show the wood belongs to you (remember, possession is nine-tenths of the law)… in the eyes of the law that wood belongs to the quarry. Really, there isn’t anything stopping me from driving up and loading up… unless the quarry wants to get involved. Believe it or not, if you go grab an armload of that wood and carry it onto your property, the quarry can claim you stole their property.
Third, if a property line battle ever does get started your chances of coming out on top are pretty slim (unless you have specific permission from the quarry). Any lawyer, even a halfwit lawyer, can easily prove you yourself have no respect for property lines, and that ignoring them has been the status quo in your neighborhood for many years (your wood, neighbor’s fence and A/C unit). Any credibility you may have had will be gone in an instant.

If I were you I wouldn’t be making any calls until I went back and made sure I had dotted all my “I’s” and crossed all my “T’s”.

 

[wagz]

i agree with whitespider about checking yourself out. before placing any calls i'd make sure my place was kosher first. remember, for all you know, those crappy neighbors are inside taking notes and documenting YOUR property violations...

if they really are terrible, terrible neighbors, then i'd strongly consider putting up your own privacy fence, on your land, right down the property line (assuming your town allows this). then you can safely and legally stack your firewood up against it, or whatever you please, and your mood won't instantly get ruined when you walk outside and see their fence in your yard.

 

[Coldfront]

I left town livin' near 30 years ago, and never looked back.
It doesn't work for me, I just can't play the game.

I hear you there, my nearest neighbor now is 1/4 mile away.

 

[Whitespider]

It is (or was) a good place to stack wood... heck, I'd of done the same, but...
If the issue(s) progresses it's headed only one place... civil court.
I'm tellin' ya', civil court sucks; common sense does not rule there.
With this sort of issue, the only hope for anyone (you or the neighbor) to come out of civil court unscathed is to be squeaky clean.

 

[Mac88]

I was gonna make a disparaging remark about lawyers, but I'm probably safer if I don't. :msp_angry:

 

[griffonks]

I suggest that you get her off your property and build a nice 6' fence between you and her, how are you going to feel if she files to take your land? I would move the wood to your property because it's the right thing to do unless the city says, in writing, you can use their "alley".

 

[jerrycmorrow]

if her ac has been on your property for a long time it may now be her property de facto and legally. laws of imminent domain typically grant ownership to someone who has possessed and used a piece of property (fences, buildings, driveways, storage, etc.)for a set time period (7 years in states i'm aware of). if you are really serious about moving her fence you may want to consult with a real estate attorney or the city attorney before you start any action. that's why i moved out of the city. just sayin

 

[3fordasho]

I don't expect to get the AC unit moved, it's been there 25+ years. However when it needs to be replaced - I will ask for the new unit to be placed elsewhere.

Their fence has been there less than 5 years. They've already stated they will move it if it really is on our property (it is I have it detailed on a recent survey drawing). They don't know were their property lines are but will find out later today when I show them the survey drawing.... They probably think the ally and quarry property directly behind them are their's too, that's why they think the wood is too close. They're going to get an education that I don't think they're going to like.

if her ac has been on your property for a long time it may now be her property de facto and legally. laws of imminent domain typically grant ownership to someone who has possessed and used a piece of property (fences, buildings, driveways, storage, etc.)for a set time period (7 years in states i'm aware of). if you are really serious about moving her fence you may want to consult with a real estate attorney or the city attorney before you start any action. that's why i moved out of the city. just sayin

 

[3fordasho]

I'd love to do something like that, but it just don't work that way in town. The city cops would be all over me and I'd have a ticket for disturbing the piece in no time.

Found that out with MN legal fireworks, they are legal, but if someone #####es enough the cops will shut you down legal or not.

Heck I go out of my way to be a low key neighbor, only drive in the ally when really necessary, minimal use of saws in the yard, even have an electric super split....

The best neighbours are the ones you don't have, I hear you.

And after all that, hold a GTG in your backyard and cut cookies well into the moonlight