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echos are good but they got to compete with husq and stihl over the tool less chain tension thingy.
That'll create some tool tension!I got a crack habit.....
I have twin 370,s we have raced at gtg's... good little saws, i run the heck out of them. a 370 was my first sawEcho just has a line up to squeeze every dollar from some one who wants one of their saws. From $200 to 850 in $20 increments. Sounds like a winning financial plan to me.
I'm sure a lot of us do the same with our clients.
Almost all manufactures have a model that is basically a dumbed down version of another, both cost about the same to manufacture, but one has a higher profit margin. Throw in a floppy tensioned thing or a nicer grip and that gap closes quite a bit. I'm not much for the "toolless tensioners" either, and don't own any thing with them, but I do run echo saws exclusively. Why? The always start, run a long time, don't cost much and parts are always available on the rare occasion I need them. Sure cc to cc a husky will cut faster, but the trees aren't big around here and I'm not racing anyone.
There are a few differences between the models that the web site doesn't really show. Take the Cs370 vs the CS400. Essentially the same saw, same weight, but the 400 has about 10% more displacement, while the 370 has about a 10% higher compression ratio. an extra $30 get a slightly smoother saw. $30 less than the 370 gets a few cc's less but a crappy filtration system. Something for every one who likes there products.
Their top handle line up has every type of user in mind, the Cs271 for light pruning/deadwooding, an engine size up for slightly larger jobs up to the CS355 which is a real removal saw. The 370 I have has been run hard problem free for a long time. For a cheap reliable limbing/chipper saw, its hard to beat. The 590 is the best value in the 60cc size for "ranch" or a very small start up business IMO.
Well I wonder what Stihl designers are on, because they put quick chain adjusters on pro saws....
http://www.stihl.de/STIHL-Produkte/Motorsägen/Sägen-für-die-Forstwirtschaft/22214-1582/MS-261-C-BM.aspx
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Engineers rarely get to sit around and dream up things to design. What they work on, whether they think it's worth a crap or not, is usually dreamed by some marketing group, or by a team of sales, marketing and engineering people. The people doing the design work get told what to design.they have designers and engineers sitting around on the clock. Same as just about any other manufactured product. so..they change things, sometimes in a big way, sometimes incrementally.
Almost all manufactures have a model that is basically a dumbed down version of another, both cost about the same to manufacture, but one has a higher profit margin.
I'm a crackhead also...I got a crack habit.....
The job of the marketing man is to turn wants into needs. Those two saws share most of the parts and basically cost the same to make. If they can convince you to spend $100 more that is mostly profit.True. Case in point (and I like the brand) the 2166/2172 Jonny. You can buy the same weight and less power for 100 bucks cheaper, or get the full power that cost just as much to make for 100 bucks more. I have considered the 2166 because I don't really need the extra umph and I have a hard time justifying the extra money, and yet I'm holding off because I want the most I can get if I have to lug that much saw around. In the end I figure more people will spend money as a result of the "a saw for every need" strategy than will hold off as I am doing.
I cant believe what they are doing now,,, the cs370 and the 400 now can come with the crappy easy chain tenshioner
. . . this is just stupid just like them building different saws just a couple of cc's difference between them,,, way to many saws to close together on cc's...
Heh, Poulan was smarter, they did just the opposite. Regardless of what displacement is on the side (at least for the smaller ones), they're all 42cc. Product differentiation by decal - the customers are so clueless they never even notice there's a sticker on the back that says 42cc.I hate that too. Especially when they 'de-tune' or put a smaller piston and cylinder in a saw just so that they can market one in that displacement category. Why not just point out that they can get a more powerful saw, that weighs the same, for less money, than the competition? But then, I am not as rich and successful as the Stihl family, or the Husqvarna folks, or the Poulans, . . .
Yeah, I agree. Then again they could give me the whole hog power out of that 71cc and charge me the sub 5hp price and they'd still be making plenty of cash. Dern free markets, don't companies know when they've made enough money and need to start considering the common good of poor men who want big chainsawsThe job of the marketing man is to turn wants into needs. Those two saws share most of the parts and basically cost the same to make. If they can convince you to spend $100 more that is mostly profit.
Heh, Poulan was smarter, they did just the opposite. Regardless of what displacement is on the side (at least for the smaller ones), they're all 42cc. Product differentiation by decal - the customers are so clueless they never even notice there's a sticker on the back that says 42cc.
And of course few even question that larger displacement saws are priced higher. Clearly it doesn't cost a penny more to make a larger displacement saw of a given series - a little more material in the piston, a little less in the cylinder, the same number of manufacturing operations, etc.
Green Machine did the same thing. They had a 14", 16", 18" with all of them being 40 odd cc and cost ranging from $129 to something like $179Heh, Poulan was smarter, they did just the opposite. Regardless of what displacement is on the side (at least for the smaller ones), they're all 42cc. Product differentiation by decal - the customers are so clueless they never even notice there's a sticker on the back that says 42cc.
And of course few even question that larger displacement saws are priced higher. Clearly it doesn't cost a penny more to make a larger displacement saw of a given series - a little more material in the piston, a little less in the cylinder, the same number of manufacturing operations, etc.
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