If dealers are only making $65 on a saw they better get into another biz..
that means selling over 1500 saws a year wont even pay the bills !!
somethings wrong with this picture..
if i cant get a deal i'm happy with,i go someplace else..theres always one dealer wanting to make some money..
better a dollar made than a dollar lost..
AND a returning customer
I agree. $65? Not a hope. No dealer worth a grain of salt is going to honestly divulge what a saw costs them.
I can't speak for US dealers but as per my previous post why will Stihl dealer A tell you they hardly make a cent on a saw sold at X price when Stihl Dealer B will sell you the same saw for $200 less with no haggling or anything?
stihl bashing, or the continued bashing of any product is pathetic, if you dont like it, dont buy it , its very simple, but on a forum where 3/4 of the members cant even figure out how to post a picture, that type of stupidity is expected i guess.
"creamsickle blinded yuppies paying too much for an inferior product" so now anyone who runs a stihl is just a lemming? what about all the men and woman who swear by them to put food on their table? just yuppie lemmings who pay to much so they can brag they own a stihl on the internet, right?
i made a post about my opinion on this whole "against whatever is popular" way of thinking before..
this has less to do with people disliking stihl, than it does with them wanting to be cool for not liking or buying the number 1 chainsaw brand in the world.
its the same thing with music, pop culture, religion, etc, there is always that group of people who think they are cooler, or more hip, or more "in the know" than everyone else because they go against the grain and against whats popular or what other people are doing, regardless of weather or not their stance has any validity or is in any way good for them in the big picture is insignificant to these type opf people, all that matters is that they didnt "conform". there will always be that group of guys who think its cool , to do the opposite of what other people are doing. perfect example is all these hipster retards and their horrible goth/emo music, its clearly absolute trash with no talent or music quality, but to them, its the coolest thing ever, because they are counter culture, and they like somrthing other people hate. in their eyes they are now cool. deep down inside they know they dont wana listen to that crap, but id they go buy a cd thats actually sold more than 127 copies, they are no longer cool in their friends eyes. they are now sell out, conformists geeks, like trhe rest of us! and thats their business.
just like many atheists are far more obsessed with religion than some religious people ever could be, many stihl bashers and stihl haters are far more into the brand loyalty than the stihl owners they are blindly lashing out against.
you have guys who have no problems dropping huge bucks on dolmars and echos and makitas, yet a comparable model stihl that costs $50 more, is a overpriced, over hyped POS! that train of thought is fascinating to me. the constant need to reassure yourself you are going against the norm, and not conforming to what is popular and what other people are doing is a disease. keep it up and youll find yourself driving a Saab, running makita saws and eating the off brand cereal that cost 30 cents less that you brainwashed yourself into believing tastes the same as the name brand.
Although I think you may have got a tad excited I can only interpret your post as saying that people who don't purchase Stihl saws are non conformists who buy Husky, Dolmar etc just to stick it to the man?
If that's the case then maybe some prescription meds should be seriously considered?
This is not Mexico, and you are not buying a pineapple from a toothless hag in an open market in Oaxaca. Do you have any idea how dang hard it is to keep the doors of a business open, how expensive it is?
Some people with the "smart shopper" mentality are little more than spoiled whiny brats. I have NEVER called anyone a name in three years on this forum, but in your case, I will make an exception. Spoiled whiny brats like you expect dealers to lick yer butt to make a sale. That is why businesses are dropping off the map. I'd like to see you make a new air filter for that nice 460 out of an old pair of panty hose. After the dealers go down, maybe you can mill a piston out of an aluminum can, after 500 hours of reliable cutting on that beast. I am happy to pay MSRP on a Stihl product. Our local (former) dealer marked Stihl up 20% from MSRP, and once I figured that out, I went to a dealer in the town where I work. Big deal.
Not sure if I should reply to this but here goes and I do have a good history in retail and am currently in charge of about $20,000,000 worth of Agricultural quotes annually against some very savvy and active competitors in my region.
If a Stihl dealer or any business drops off the map then the last person they can blame is the dollar savvy customer. ALL Stihl (and Husky) dealers I know sit on their arse waiting for customers to come to them. I have NEVER seen a dealer leave the shop to actively pursue new customers or create a working relationship with a chainsaw user or for example, pruning contractor/tree crew that aren't currently a customer. I have never seen a dealer send out letters to possible new customers in the business of actually using chainsaws. But by hell do they whine like a little bit*h when they start going under. It's everbody else's fault but their own.
In the Agricutural business I work in we are constantly pursuing and gaining new business, quite often at the same rate we are losing business to our very smart and business savvy opposition(s). If we don't show a bit of love to a customer then we have nobody to blame but ourselves when a more active/cheaper opposition party takes them out from under our nose. We lost about $5,000,000 of business in the last year simply because of one guy we employed who never got off his arse to appropriately service some pretty large agricultural clients of ours.
The worst thing a business can do is take customers for granted and assume the customer owes them a living (likewise for customers thinking a dealer owes them something).
Now that is all good when you are the only option. When you are NOT the only option yet have an attitude like that you will go broke. Gone are the days when customers will actually pay significantly more just because the guy behind the counter has a nice smile and a strong handshake.
A few bucks, sure, but not $200-300.
Like you I hate customers that haggle. Our area is full of Greeks, Italians, and Indians. Now it is in their culture to haggle and it is quite painful at times. However if we take the attitude that here's the cost and that's it guess what? We lose that sale, word slowly but surely gets around the community, and all of a sudden you ask yourself "Where did that guy go? I haven't seen him for a while". Even worse if you give Fred a good deal and Jim finds out he didn't get one!
If Stihl Dealer A wants to stick to (for example) AUD$1550 MSRP for a 200T yet Stihl Dealer B will sell me one for AUD$1380 then am I the prick for going to Dealer B? I'm also not silly enough to then expect Dealer A to service my Dealer B bought saw. However I would also then expect Dealer A to whine like a blown car diff when he finds out I didn't want to spend an extra $170 just for the privelage of walking through his front door (it's happened to me).
One thing I have learnt in the business I work in (Agriculture with chainsaws after hours) is that to assume you are doing a better job than your opposition, and can charge more because of it, is generally underestimating your competition and taking advantage of your customer. It doesn't matter what I think or what any chainsaw dealer thinks, it's what the customer's perception is.
Once again I can't talk for the US, but I also believe that the Stihl Shop mentality is allowing too many dealers to open up in too closer proximity of each other. My area is smallish and at one stage we had 3 Stihl dealers within 30 minutes of one another in a population of around 30,000. Out of this 30,000 only a very small % are chainsaw (or outdoor power product) users. One Stihl dealer has already gone broke and I know things are very tight with the other two. One guy is as tight as a fishes' arse and his pricing reflects that (he's also the one more likely to go broke first). The other dealer has excellent off the bat pricing and has secured any limited saw service work that I might need done. You don't need to haggle with him to get a good deal. He is also the one who is maintaining a lot of work saws for local tree crews, despite being 30 minutes further away than the other Stihl dealer.
for those that negative repped me, id think twice next time if i were you, i wont ssay which ones me in the picture, but we dont play around
Are you the little white pastey one crouching in the middle?
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