Falling pics 11/25/09

[Rounder]

If that ain't the truth! I'm so stump anal -- I'd go hungry buselin'. Hahaha

I pride myself in being a "full hinge faller". The realities are, you need the tree on the ground fast (says the boss) -- and that's where we got stump jumpin' and slicken'em off the stump.

A fast saw, a sharp chain, and not following the 'rules' of falling -- can make you a lot of money. . . Or a lot of dead.

I had a fir, like Bob's pine, last winter -- I shallow faced it and stopped cut'n. It stalled and made a snapping noise. It went over but it was split along my hinge 2' up the tree. How it didn't full-on chair. . . I don't know.

If a guy is gonna do a small to nonexistent face, ya better be prepared to chase it all the way off!

Sent using two cans and a string.

I guess there's just a happy medium.....I've learned to let less than perfect go...If I know it will do the job. A 2 footer is a different deal than a 5 footer. That said, sometimes a kerf face till the weight shifts can make quick work of a stick.

My point being, don't agonize over perfection when the timber doesn't demand it....When it does, show some respect.

Take care - Sam

 

[HuskStihl]

Since we're posting screw-up pictures here's one that might make Jon feel better. I had to high-stump this P-pine due to it growing in the V of two historic rock walls. It was a heavy leaner and had a lot of head lean.

Mistake #1 was too small of a face.
Mistake #2 was not using a Coos Bay or boring the tree. It was the last tree of the day and I was tired and in a hurry...and that's no excuse.
Mistake#3 was chasing the hinge as far as I did. By all rights that tree should have 'chaired.

I watch this little video every once in awhile...just to remind myself.

That didn't make me feel any better at all! If you hadn't told me there was something wrong I'da never known it from the video

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My diagnosis: either a bad oiler or a dull chain

 

[HuskStihl]

I guess there's just a happy medium.....I've learned to let less than perfect go...If I know it will do the job. A 2 footer is a different deal than a 5 footer. That said, sometimes a kerf face till the weight shifts can make quick work of a stick.

My point being, don't agonize over perfection when the timber doesn't demand it....When it does, show some respect.

Take care - Sam

Great post for me. I'm not and will never be a faller. Honestly I'm just a guy who cuts down trees from time to time, and for some reason feels the need to have pro equipment and hang out online with loggers. My wife thinks this is more than a little weird, but I could be falling the trees with a wild thing and hanging out in the chainsaw forum, which would be worse. As long as I have you guys to keep me from offering too much dangerous advice to others based upon my book knowledge

 

[Samlock]

Ok fine...here ya go Husk. Dude I couldn't reach my far corner from how high I was cutting...and my short bar...the cut looks like I been smoking crack er something...but since you're bored.

When you're stumping below the knee line from day to day, cutting it shoulder high isn't that simple.

Try to throttle with your thumb, when cutting horizontal. Your right wrist and elbow will thank you later.

 

[Samlock]

Great post for me. I'm not and will never be a faller. Honestly I'm just a guy who cuts down trees from time to time, and for some reason feels the need to have pro equipment and hang out online with loggers. My wife thinks this is more than a little weird, but I could be falling the trees with a wild thing and hanging out in the chainsaw forum, which would be worse. As long as I have you guys to keep me from offering too much dangerous advice to others based upon my book knowledge

I can think of a bundle of far more weird, expensive and potentially unhealthy manly mid life hobbies than timber falling. And once you're into it, there's nothing wrong doing it properly.

You're ok Jon.

 

[Gologit]

I can think of a bundle of far more weird, expensive and potentially unhealthy manly mid life hobbies than timber falling. And once you're into it, there's nothing wrong doing it properly.

You're ok Jon.

Yup.

 

[HuskStihl]

If that ain't the truth! I'm so stump anal -- I'd go hungry buselin'. Hahaha

I pride myself in being a "full hinge faller". The realities are, you need the tree on the ground fast (says the boss) -- and that's where we got stump jumpin' and slicken'em off the stump.

A fast saw, a sharp chain, and not following the 'rules' of falling -- can make you a lot of money. . . Or a lot of dead.

I had a fir, like Bob's pine, last winter -- I shallow faced it and stopped cut'n. It stalled and made a snapping noise. It went over but it was split along my hinge 2' up the tree. How it didn't full-on chair. . . I don't know.

If a guy is gonna do a small to nonexistent face, ya better be prepared to chase it all the way off!

Sent using two cans and a string.

And all this time I thought you were just a falling dawg salesman!

 

[paccity]

And all this time I thought you were just a falling dawg salesman!

he will sell ya anything. what you need. lolol.

 

[Metals406]

I'm like Radar from M.A.S.H! Hahaha

Sent using two cans and a string.

 

[twochains]

Here is one from today. I was working a bluff line at the top of some fairly steep ground. This oak was back leaned up the hill, I had a very large potential for kick back and a perfect shot helped out here! ...Not to mention I was cutting with my boss. I'm uploading another video fro today of a large white oak grown up against a bluff shelter...I actualy was in the shelter putting my gun in...uploading now.

 

[bitzer]

Hey Clint- This is how you put a face in when its eye level or higher. From underneath. My saw is 4ft long for reference and no I did not stand on anything! I'm 5' 10". Triple stump from the swamps a few months ago. I did a bout ten of these a day along with the rest of my cutting. It sure makes a guy get creative. Back-barring from the goofy side over yer head, all kinds of saw juggling. Typically I was limbing and bucking 50 sawtimber trees a day in there, plus the pulp in the tops and pulp trees.

 

[bitzer]

Sam- nice pics from a while back! 50mbf/ acre sounds ****in awesome!

Samlock-good lookin videos! I cut a few big paper birch on a steep hillside in the snow last week. Birch sawtimber is a rarity for me.

Jon- In the video where you were wrestling the saw you have the right idea. I don't usually start right in the corner of my gunning cut when I put in my diagonal cut. Its usually about a quarter away into the face if you get my meaning. Then I work my way over to the far corner and saw my way back. The gunning cut I start on my far corner and work my way back to where I want it. You just need bigger dogs on that saw and let er run a little on her own! Looks like the saw is running you a little.

 

[bitzer]

ColtonT- If I ever see trees marked like that my rule is paint on one of em, cut em all. Unless its sawtimber and the other tree(s) in the clump are really nice. Then I might leave it. On the other hand when one is cut off of a clump it kind of creates a risk for the other trees. Really they should mark em all or leave em. The soft maple swamp I cut in October was a nightmare of multiple stem pulp and sawtimber. Every other tree seemed to be a hydra.

 

[HuskStihl]

Here is one from today. I was working a bluff line at the top of some fairly steep ground. This oak was back leaned up the hill, I had a very large potential for kick back and a perfect shot helped out here! ...Not to mention I was cutting with my boss. I'm uploading another video fro today of a large white oak grown up against a bluff shelter...I actualy was in the shelter putting my gun in...uploading now.

That looked to go right where you wanted it! Every video of yours I see I'm like "no way he's gonna fit a Humboldt in there" and every time I'm wrong. Nice timber cheers (I miss that emoticon)

 

[HuskStihl]

Sam- nice pics from a while back! 50mbf/ acre sounds ****in awesome!

Samlock-good lookin videos! I cut a few big paper birch on a steep hillside in the snow last week. Birch sawtimber is a rarity for me.

Jon- In the video where you were wrestling the saw you have the right idea. I don't usually start right in the corner of my gunning cut when I put in my diagonal cut. Its usually about a quarter away into the face if you get my meaning. Then I work my way over to the far corner and saw my way back. The gunning cut I start on my far corner and work my way back to where I want it. You just need bigger dogs on that saw and let er run a little on her own! Looks like the saw is running you a little.

I really just want to stop looking like I'm taking a dump every time I'm putting in a face.



I have fixed my half-wrap small dawg problem thx to Nate, watsonR, spike60, and eBay.

 

[HuskStihl]

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Hey Clint- This is how you put a face in when its eye level or higher. From underneath. My saw is 4ft long for reference and no I did not stand on anything! I'm 5' 10". Triple stump from the swamps a few months ago. I did a bout ten of these a day along with the rest of my cutting. It sure makes a guy get creative. Back-barring from the goofy side over yer head, all kinds of saw juggling. Typically I was limbing and bucking 50 sawtimber trees a day in there, plus the pulp in the tops and pulp trees.

That looks skillful

 

[twochains]

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Hey Clint- This is how you put a face in when its eye level or higher. From underneath. My saw is 4ft long for reference and no I did not stand on anything! I'm 5' 10". Triple stump from the swamps a few months ago. I did a bout ten of these a day along with the rest of my cutting. It sure makes a guy get creative. Back-barring from the goofy side over yer head, all kinds of saw juggling. Typically I was limbing and bucking 50 sawtimber trees a day in there, plus the pulp in the tops and pulp trees.

Looks good bitzer. Also looks like I would have been fine with using my first face I put in instead of going back and putting the conventional in. As far as high stumping at those heights...I would have left that POS if it wasn't a clear cut. I do maybe (3) stumps a year that high. Sounds like you been busy. Awesome, Thanks!

 

[twochains]

This one was growing right up along side of a bluff shelter...my boss was right there watching. LOL!

 

[treeslayer2003]

looks like you in some nice timber there.

 

[HuskStihl]

That's a big, nice looking oak. Always fun to look good with a live audience. I really enjoy the videos, thanks for posting them. I'm thinking about getting Bitz, Rounder, TS and NM some helmet cams for Christmas. I'd be in wannabe fallers hog heaven. I'd prolly also need to send TS his own personal IT guy as well.
Nerd question. Are you sniping the gunning cut to get it off the stump, or just to open the face?
Tech question: Why does that saw sound like it has a valvetrain? Not a bad sound, just different

Medical advice: I hope u'r getting that low with u'r knees and not u'r back