Fast cutting .404 .058 chains?

[palbin]

I was wondering about a fast cutting .404 .058 chain?

(It would be used on 20-24 bars, possibly with "enlarged"
drive sprocket ... .)

Perhaps Oregon 58CL?

 

[Eccentric]

We hardly see .058G .404 chain here anymore. .404 .063G is much more common, at least in the US. I don't have any idea what .404 chains you folks in Sweden can get.

 

[hamish]

One has to ask what are you cutting in Sweden with 20-24" bars?

Your simplest answer dependant upon species of tree and powerhead used is a sharp chain.

 

[adronetree]

One has to ask what are you cutting in Sweden with 20-24" bars?

Your simplest answer dependant upon species of tree and powerhead used is a sharp chain.

Sorry to answer his question for him but I'm in Norway and I have seen many trees in Norway and Sweden that are 2-5ft diameter. They have quite a few low growing big beech trees and oaks. I'm not sure what kind of oak they are. Some look almost like what we call a water oak back home. Also a good many pines 50-80ft tall from 20" to 30". Certainly not as many as Georgia in the US where I'm from but still.

 

[MCW]

.404" .058" is pretty uncommon. I know I can access Carlton B2 semi chisel but that's about it. It's an old school guage in .404".
If you can find any .404" .058" full chisel that would be your best starting point.
What saw are you running it on?

 

[palbin]

It is not for felling but for chopping "already fallen" trees in to
suitable peaces - and in good conditions. Trees, suitable to at-
tack with 20" or 24", as mentioned, mostly pine and birch, but
in principle virtually anything.

These are mainly "free standing" old trees that get fatter than
the ones one finds in "planted/cultivated forests". (Obviously
I see trees of other sizes as well.)

I just wanted to try to get some elevated cutting speed .

Anyway - what is a fast cutting 0.404 0.058 chain?

Thanks

 

[MCW]

Anyway - what is a fast cutting 0.404 0.058 chain?

Thanks

Out of the box or are you good at filing/square filing? I don't even know if .404" .058" full chisel is available anymore?

 

[palbin]

I am good at filing ordinary "round chains", I like to belive, but
surely I have things to learn - "square ones" I have never tried.
If there is a problem with it I will work with it to ovecome it !

My biggest powerhead intended for this use is 390xp (I have
smaller ones as well), but in the unlikely event that this is not
enough I will use bigger ones !

So the answer is as simple as "get any .404 (non-skip) chain and
keep it sharp"?

Thanks

 

[hamish]

As you are processing the logs, yes you got it..........any sharp chain will do.
The cutting time with various chains if all sharp are negligible unless you are a cookie cutter.

Any particualr reason you wish to run .404 on a 390?

 

[palbin]

OK. Thanks for the information.

"Cookie cutter" - what is that - Sthil Timbersport cutting, or what?

Let me ask, if chains do not differ much in essence, why are so many
varieties offered ?

The reason that I wanted to run .404 on 390 (or others) is exactly
the one I stated from the beginning - I wanted fast cut - also I feel
that, for example, 390 does not really come to its full right with for
example 24" and 3/8 and 0.058 - it can pull more simply ... . But
also a genuine interest in enlarging my chain saw experinece ... .

Thanks again

 

[SawTroll]

As you are processing the logs, yes you got it..........any sharp chain will do.
The cutting time with various chains if all sharp are negligible unless you are a cookie cutter.

Any particualr reason you wish to run .404 on a 390?

My question is rather why it has to be .058, and not .063?

 

[palbin]

My question is rather why it has to be .058, and not .063?

Yes - thanks - you seem to have nailed an issue here!

And I do not know, simply - just that I thought some-
what slimmer chain width could be converted to higher
cutting speed ... . (Is that what "cookie cutter" means
by the way, not needing 0.063 ?)

OK: What is a fast cutting .404 chain then? 59CL?

Thanks again!

 

[Dennis Cahoon]

404 is not a fast cutting chain no matter what the gauge. 3/8's will not last as long, but will be much faster in the cut. Stick with .063 gauge too! Better wear factor.

 

[SawTroll]

Yes - thanks - you seem to have nailed an issue here!

And I do not know, simply - just that I thought some-
what slimmer chain width could be converted to higher
cutting speed ... . ...

That depends on if the cutters also are slimmer (less wide at the top-plate), not just the drive tangs. I don't know how that is with .404 chain, since I don't use it.

 

[MCW]

404 is not a fast cutting chain no matter what the gauge. 3/8's will not last as long, but will be much faster in the cut. Stick with .063 gauge too! Better wear factor.

Like you'd know anything about cutting fast Dennis!

 

[mdavlee]

.404" is durable and will last longer than 3/8". Other than that there is no advantage on a 90cc saw that I can find. Put a 3/8"x8 sprocket on it and a 24" bar and go to cutting.

 

[MarcS]

I thought I was the only guy running .404 .058... Can't find anything other than Oregon semi-chisel myself. It is extremely durable and with a .404x8 sprocket it does alright but certainly not fast cutting.

 

[MCW]

I've run .404" on my ported 390XP and it does OK but the only .404" I run on it now is 20" tungsten when I get into dirty stuff. Otherwise the 3120 is the only saw that runs it now.
In clean wood there really isn't a need for .404" with the odd exception.

 

[MarcS]

Bailey's - Oregon 58L Chainsaw Chain

Poking around and found you can still buy .058 full comp. square chisel .404