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I would read that as possibly addressing the chimney connector (stove pipe), but not the chimney.

Idahonative: "Stove pipe and chimney are the same thing. In fact, words like chimney, stack, connector, pipe, flue...all mean the same thing. They are the means for the gasses to exit the home. Every one of those words has the meaning "pipe"...NOT "firebox".

NSMaple1, I want to make sure you didn't take my reply to your post as me disagreeing with you. I agree 100% when you say you take it as addressing the chimney connector, but not the chimney. The point I was trying to make was this: I realize different sections of pipe are called different things. From the stove top to the ceiling of the room is called the "chimney connector" but it's still a PIPE. From the attic to the vent cap is called the "chimney" but it's still a PIPE. I could call the entire pipe, from the stove top to the vent cap, the "flue" but it's still a PIPE.

I also understand a person could have a pipe (chimney connector) up to the ceiling and have something other than a pipe as the chimney (maybe masonry). We can talk about definitions all day long but it doesn't change the point when talking about creosote in the flue. Blaze King was very specific in their manual when addressing creosote. They broke it out into: Glass, firebox, cat, and flue (chimney connector). I'm still puzzled how anyone could read this and not agree that BK is addressing creosote in the flue with words like "stack", "chimney connector", and "chimney brush"...NOWHERE does it mention "firebox":

*Pg. 26, Creosote: "At stack temperature below 120*C (250* F), the creosote will condense out of the gasses (smoke). Once a chimney connector becomes heavily coated with creosote, the only safe way to remove it is mechanically with a proper chimney cleaner or brush. A combination of wet fuel and poor operating procedure may necessitate weekly cleaning to remove creosote buildup. Remember - the hotter the fire the less creosote...We recommend that each day a small intense fire be built, preferably in the morning. This daily practice should burn out the small deposits of creosote before they build to a dangerous level. The combustion air inlet should be opened at least 30 minutes by turning the thermostat up in the morning and evening. NEVER "burn out" large deposits of more than one days accumulation."

I guess my advise to others would be to follow the BK manual...it works!
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EDIT: BTW - If a person is addressing creosote (with daily burn offs) in the chimney connector (stove pipe), they are addressing creosote all the way up the flue. The hot gasses know no boundaries.

The same could be said for the other areas of creosote that BK addresses in the manual. If a person is getting the stove hot enough to burn creosote off the glass, the firebox, and the cat, they are getting it hot enough to keep the flue free of creosote. I can tell you first hand, it takes getting the cat probe into the upper range for approx 30 minutes (like the manual states) to clean the glass. At those temps, for that long, the flue WILL be free of creosote (with daily burn offs).
 
Chris BKVP, If the BK Princess would have fit into a 25" High fireplace I'd have bought one. So I went with the Beast (Buck 91) instead of the Best :( :) (Mixed Emotions) I'd buy you some Beers Too !!!!
 
Chris BKVP, If the BK Princess would have fit into a 25" High fireplace I'd have bought one. So I went with the Beast (Buck 91) instead of the Best :( :) (Mixed Emotions) I'd buy you some Beers Too !!!!

Where is VP? Hasn't been seen here for three days. Been showing up over on the Communist site but is MIA here on AS.
 
Where is VP? Hasn't been seen here for three days. Been showing up over on the Communist site but is MIA here on AS.
I'm sure he'll be back. I can only imagine how busy a VP would be. I'm surprised he has time to chat online.
 
Where is VP? Hasn't been seen here for three days. Been showing up over on the Communist site but is MIA here on AS.

Ya musta skeered him away...
I think I'm gonna buy a King Ultra and give it a try, but I have some questions that BKVP kinda needs to answer first..
I've talked to two different dealers about my chimney situation, and I'm getting two different answers..
 
Ya musta skeered him away...
I think I'm gonna buy a King Ultra and give it a try, but I have some questions that BKVP kinda needs to answer first..
I've talked to two different dealers about my chimney situation, and I'm getting two different answers..

Well, hopefully that's not the case. I'm glad he is here and since he can be "brutally honest", I don't think my brutal honesty will scare him away. Hopefully he will show back up and you can get your questions answered.
 
Well, hopefully that's not the case. I'm glad he is here and since he can be "brutally honest", I don't think my brutal honesty will scare him away. Hopefully he will show back up and you can get your questions answered.

I called Blaze King, I talked to a guy (did'nt get his name), he recommended that I speak with Charlie, he is the King Ultra specialist it seems...
I'm waiting for a return call, cuz he was out/lunch ??
 
I called Blaze King, I talked to a guy (did'nt get his name), he recommended that I speak with Charlie, he is the King Ultra specialist it seems...
I'm waiting for a return call, cuz he was out/lunch ??

LOL, Hopefully he wasn't out to lunch...they are on Pacific time in Walla Walla . That would be a really early lunch.:)

Edit: If Charlie calls you back you will have to let us know what he says.
 
Talked to Charlie this afternoon.........That guy was very helpfull ...
I'll be buying one, maybe yet this week if my work schedule ever evens out..
Dealer about 50 miles away has one on the floor..

Edit;;;
From both the dealers I talked to, it does'nt sound like there's a mid summer/off season price break !!
 
Talked to Charlie this afternoon.........That guy was very helpfull ...
I'll be buying one, maybe yet this week if my work schedule ever evens out..
Dealer about 50 miles away has one on the floor..

Edit;;;
From both the dealers I talked to, it does'nt sound like there's a mid summer/off season price break !!

Too bad you aren't closer to Oregon. Dealer in Hermiston has the Ultra's on sale ($500 off), TTL price $2695 and Oregon doesn't charge sales tax.
 
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The same could be said for the other areas of creosote that BK addresses in the manual. If a person is getting the stove hot enough to burn creosote off the glass, the firebox, and the cat, they are getting it hot enough to keep the flue free of creosote. I can tell you first hand, it takes getting the cat probe into the upper range for approx 30 minutes (like the manual states) to clean the glass. At those temps, for that long, the flue WILL be free of creosote (with daily burn offs).

I've done that a few times by accident. Loaded the stove and got distracted or fell asleep in front of it.

Yeah... it cleaned the glass alright, and also scared the crap out of me. Stove at 800+, house pushing 90*, hot paint/metal smell, whole place rumbling like a train was next door from the draft pulling so hard.
 
I've done that a few times by accident. Loaded the stove and got distracted or fell asleep in front of it.

Yeah... it cleaned the glass alright, and also scared the crap out of me. Stove at 800+, house pushing 90*, hot paint/metal smell, whole place rumbling like a train was next door from the draft pulling so hard.

Falling asleep and accidentally over firing your stove IS NOT the same as a daily burn off or getting into the upper range of NORMAL operation. Just so we're clear;).

It's stories like yours that makes the lawyers for the wood stove manufacturers cringe. And I believe that is why they have to be careful recommending daily burn offs. Because when someone burns their house down, through complete fault of their own, they want to turn around and sue the manufacturer.

BTW: The way you describe it, sounds like you fell asleep and left the door open.
 
Too bad you aren't closer to Oregon. Dealer in Hermiston has the Ultra's on sale ($500 off), TTL price $2695 and Oregon doesn't charge sales tax.
Aww,,,, that hurts.....
I know this stove is'nt gonna heat my whole house @ 5600 sq. ft.
I'm hoping to offset the amount of wood currently consumed by my OWB...
Don't get me wrong, I love my OWB and radiant heat, but the last two winters here in central Pa. have been brutal....around 20 cords each...And I ain't gettin any younger...lol
 
Aww,,,, that hurts.....
I know this stove is'nt gonna heat my whole house @ 5600 sq. ft.
I'm hoping to offset the amount of wood currently consumed by my OWB...
Don't get me wrong, I love my OWB and radiant heat, but the last two winters here in central Pa. have been brutal....around 20 cords each...And I ain't gettin any younger...lol

Holy Cow!!! 20 cords!!! You're out of my league bud. We burn about 1 1/4 cords per season (no OWB).

Don't know the specifics of your house but I agree, gonna work to heat 5600 sf. One thing you need to keep in mind is the difference in the way our stove operates in our home and the way your stove will operate in your home. Our stove is "over sized" for our small (1250 sf) home. Because of this, we don't have to run the stove hard. Running these stoves on the low end gives the user much better efficiency (low flue temps). The wood smolders and the cat thrives on that.

With a house your size, I doubt you will be doing much smoldering which will kind of offset why I love the stove so much. Your stove will be working hard to try and heat your home which means you will be operating on the higher end of the burn. Still, I think you will love the stove with its big firebox and the beautifully designed auto damper. Big house or small house, I still believe Blaze King designs and manufactures the best stoves on the market.
 
Aww,,,, that hurts.....
I know this stove is'nt gonna heat my whole house @ 5600 sq. ft.
I'm hoping to offset the amount of wood currently consumed by my OWB...
Don't get me wrong, I love my OWB and radiant heat, but the last two winters here in central Pa. have been brutal....around 20 cords each...And I ain't gettin any younger...lol
I can't imagine using 20 cords per year ... that is about 5 years worth for me. Of course, I am only heating 2500 sq. ft. and that is with a WS Fireview. I'm sure the new BK will help tremendously. Never looked into OWBs, but if 20 cord is not unusual, I see no need to looking into them. Did see a video on the Garn units; those look great but way out of my price range. Good luck with your new BK.
 
Of course, I am only heating 2500 sq. ft. and that is with a WS Fireview.

After reading this post, it's much clearer now why you posted this:
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"Since you like brutal honesty, here is some for you. You got banned because too many people thought you to be a trouble making @sshole.

What you simply can't see is you are not just a cheerleader for BK ... that would be fine. You go out of your way to criticize other brands and agitate the cheerleaders of other brands. I find it all rather entertaining myself, but clearly the moderators do not."

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So in other words, you got offended because I gave my honest opinion of a particular Woodstock product. So did you ask all those people if they thought I was a "trouble making @sshole"? Or did you just decide that yourself? BTW: You will notice I still operate under the same username because I have no reason to hide and stand by everything I say. Why did you fire up a new username?
 
20 cords for me in a winter is unusual, 12-14 is about average, The last two winters were way colder/longer/windyr' than normal..
I also have radiant in my garage slab, so that adds about 2K sq.ft. when I have that flowing..
The BK will be an experiment for me.....an expensive one !!
 
After reading this post, it's much clearer now why you posted this:
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"Since you like brutal honesty, here is some for you. You got banned because too many people thought you to be a trouble making @sshole.

What you simply can't see is you are not just a cheerleader for BK ... that would be fine. You go out of your way to criticize other brands and agitate the cheerleaders of other brands. I find it all rather entertaining myself, but clearly the moderators do not."

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So in other words, you got offended because I gave my honest opinion of a particular Woodstock product. So did you ask all those people if they thought I was a "trouble making @sshole"? Or did you just decide that yourself? BTW: You will notice I still operate under the same username because I have no reason to hide and stand by everything I say. Why did you fire up a new username?
You are connecting dots that don't exist. You have classified me based on the stove I own ... what are you? A Stovist? :laugh:
 
You are connecting dots that don't exist. You have classified me based on the stove I own ... what are you? A Stovist? :laugh:

You might be right, I might be a Stovist:). I might also be the kind of person that can smell a H_earth leftist from a mile away. You know, the type that preaches tolerance but is intolerant of all other opinions. You know, the type that wants to have a conversation as long as the other person agrees with their point of view. You know, the type that was raised in one of those places where everyone is a winner. You know, the type that thinks you are arguing when you give a differing opinion. You know, the type that loves to live off the system and thinks they are entitled.

I can see why you fired up a membership over here. Heck, even BKVP can't escape the Socialist ways over there. Like him calling out Justin (bhd21478) five days before he showed up on this forum. VP simply said:

"Justin,

Your post in laughable! For over a year now I have remained silent to all your web posts and your Facebook comments.

Napoleon makes a fine product line. So go sell them without trying to make excuses or post inaccurate, fictional information.

I have always thought of you as an upstanding guy with a bias...which is your right. Bias is acceptable, but false and misleading information borders on....well lets leave at that."


Staff member (Jags) stepped in a short time later and said, "Not on my watch" and locked the thread. I think VP was restrained and professional (& justified) in his response. But at H_earth, if a person even remotely gives the impression they are calling someone out, yep, you guessed it...lock that sucker.

Which kind of gets us back to the question, where is VP? He has logged in everyday over there since Friday but is MIA over here. I can't quite figure that one out especially with the RIDICULOUS STAFF over there that won't let people talk. Maybe someone could PM VP and let the rest of the forum know what's going on.
 

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