chicken89
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anybody hear of people going down from ohio? me and my boss are wanting to go down, but waiting for the arrival of a new Gehl
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Hardy Landscape
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Hey guys,
If you want a skid loader you had better bring it with you. I just bought an ASV RC100 with a grapple bucket here in Jackson, MS. My dealer is selling wheel and track loaders as fast as they can get them in. He said a rental place in Hattiesburg bought 5 last week. They were rented for 3 months straight before they were ever delivered. He said people were sitting there waiting on them when they delivered them.
Also got some news today about Hattiesburg. I have got a call in to friend who is a minster at a large baptist church in Hattiesburg, but I have not been able to get in touch with him. However, I have a friend that I hunt with who went to Hattiesburg this past week to check on his daugther. He said the trees in that area were destroyed.
I might make a run down there monday morning if I can get everything straight around the office. So I may have more info in a couple of days.
What are most of ya'll planning on doing for sleeping quarters. Motel rooms are virtually non existent down there and travel trailer are getting scarce too.
Jay
If you want a skid loader you had better bring it with you. I just bought an ASV RC100 with a grapple bucket here in Jackson, MS. My dealer is selling wheel and track loaders as fast as they can get them in. He said a rental place in Hattiesburg bought 5 last week. They were rented for 3 months straight before they were ever delivered. He said people were sitting there waiting on them when they delivered them.
Also got some news today about Hattiesburg. I have got a call in to friend who is a minster at a large baptist church in Hattiesburg, but I have not been able to get in touch with him. However, I have a friend that I hunt with who went to Hattiesburg this past week to check on his daugther. He said the trees in that area were destroyed.
I might make a run down there monday morning if I can get everything straight around the office. So I may have more info in a couple of days.
What are most of ya'll planning on doing for sleeping quarters. Motel rooms are virtually non existent down there and travel trailer are getting scarce too.
Jay
Dan F
ArboristSite Operative
For those of you considering going down, this I just got this in my email:
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Assessment of Damage to the Urban & Community Forests of MS
Significant damage has occurred to the urban and community forests of
Mississippi as a result of Hurricane Katrina. The category 4 hurricane
made land fall on August 29, 2005 with sustaining winds of 145 miles per hour
and predicted gusts of 175-180 miles per hour. Wind speed and damage
continued north in Mississippi with Jackson receiving hurricane force winds sustained at
75 miles per hour with gusts to 90 miles per hour. In Tupelo, more than
300 miles from the coast wind gusts of 70 miles per hour were recorded.
Predictions of amount of damage were based on aerial reconnaissance of
48 communities. Estimates were used to expand recent tree inventory
information from affected communities. Monetary damages are based on data from
the recently completed benefit/cost analysis for urban forestry practices
in small to mid-sized cities in the Lower South using Hattiesburg, Mississippi as
a model.
Ground assessment is not currently feasible due to the extent of
damage, therefore, estimates of damage only include overstory trees.
Significant damage has occurred to understory trees and associated vegetation, but
currently there is no way to classify that damage.
The greatest impact of the storm was to the 11 cities on the coast
where economic impact of the urban and community forest is estimated to be
$439,099,860.54. The second greatest impact is to the near coastal
areas that include an area from Waynesboro to Brookhaven and south to the coast, which includes 30 communities. Monetary damages to the near coastal communities
equate to $250,042,696.32. The total state impact to 181 cites and communities
is estimated to be $1,115,276,478.64. This monetary figure is based on
an estimate of 465,009 overstory trees destroyed, 680,909 that need to be removed,
and 1,598,715 that need repair work. Removal and repair work is necessary
to protect public safely, maintain infrastructure services and protect power
delivery systems.
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I got this indirectly from the "Executive Director of the Mississippi Urban Forest Council" as her title in the email was stated. I will pass on her contact info to TM, and see if he can find out any more specifics from her. He knows more people heading down than I do, and I don't feel comfortable posting the contact info here right now without knowing more. She stated that they wanted "lists" of arbos to be sent down, not necessarily the arbos themselves yet....
Good luck to all heading south!
Dan
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Assessment of Damage to the Urban & Community Forests of MS
Significant damage has occurred to the urban and community forests of
Mississippi as a result of Hurricane Katrina. The category 4 hurricane
made land fall on August 29, 2005 with sustaining winds of 145 miles per hour
and predicted gusts of 175-180 miles per hour. Wind speed and damage
continued north in Mississippi with Jackson receiving hurricane force winds sustained at
75 miles per hour with gusts to 90 miles per hour. In Tupelo, more than
300 miles from the coast wind gusts of 70 miles per hour were recorded.
Predictions of amount of damage were based on aerial reconnaissance of
48 communities. Estimates were used to expand recent tree inventory
information from affected communities. Monetary damages are based on data from
the recently completed benefit/cost analysis for urban forestry practices
in small to mid-sized cities in the Lower South using Hattiesburg, Mississippi as
a model.
Ground assessment is not currently feasible due to the extent of
damage, therefore, estimates of damage only include overstory trees.
Significant damage has occurred to understory trees and associated vegetation, but
currently there is no way to classify that damage.
The greatest impact of the storm was to the 11 cities on the coast
where economic impact of the urban and community forest is estimated to be
$439,099,860.54. The second greatest impact is to the near coastal
areas that include an area from Waynesboro to Brookhaven and south to the coast, which includes 30 communities. Monetary damages to the near coastal communities
equate to $250,042,696.32. The total state impact to 181 cites and communities
is estimated to be $1,115,276,478.64. This monetary figure is based on
an estimate of 465,009 overstory trees destroyed, 680,909 that need to be removed,
and 1,598,715 that need repair work. Removal and repair work is necessary
to protect public safely, maintain infrastructure services and protect power
delivery systems.
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I got this indirectly from the "Executive Director of the Mississippi Urban Forest Council" as her title in the email was stated. I will pass on her contact info to TM, and see if he can find out any more specifics from her. He knows more people heading down than I do, and I don't feel comfortable posting the contact info here right now without knowing more. She stated that they wanted "lists" of arbos to be sent down, not necessarily the arbos themselves yet....
Good luck to all heading south!
Dan
KentuckySawyer
ArboristSite Operative
Thats amazing to me that they can calculate the cost of millions of dollars in tree damage down to the penny. I can't seem to do that on a dogwood pruning job.
Sarcasm aside, I'd like to get on that list. Where do I sign up?
Sarcasm aside, I'd like to get on that list. Where do I sign up?
Dan F
ArboristSite Operative
That's why I passed that info on to TM... My hope is that he can contact the person who originated the email and get a list pulled together...
Arbor Vista
ArboristSite Lurker
How can Canadian Arborists help?
We are an Ontario-Canada based Co. that has no Hurricane experience. We have had our share of big blows but nothing that compares with Hurricanes or Katrina. We have big hearts and a desire to help those in need, but find it difficult to find an "umbrella" agency that can facilitate Canadians to help, without the increased hassles of temporary visas, green cards. Volunteering is good...how can we do that without imposing on our state-side friends? Making some extra $ is helpful especially for those of us in the more Northern parts of the province when our season will come to an ubrupt end due to the onset of winter and freeze-up. It becomes quite clear that when a response for help is req'd, we run into all sorts of resistance.
I talked with ISA at this years conference in Nashville. Facilitating Arborists at a times like this does not fall into their mandate.
I talked with TCIA Safety Advisor, Peter Gerstenberger, and he too did not have any insight as to TCIA being a facilitator to help organize TCIA members from out of state/province. We pay good amounts of $ to be a part of these organizations, and perhaps an outfit like TCIA, or a "Triage" comittee of TCIA, could be the "Umbrella" organization to help those companies that are a part of TCIA and being "Accredited" the opportunity of being helpful at times like during last years hurricanes in Florida, the Tsunami in Indonesia, Katrina, and others. There are a couple of forum notes from our UK friends of their willingness to offer their skill sets, but find it awkward as well. What a great resource and definitley an opportunity for increased experience. We would be happy to link up with a willing State-side company, follow their lead, and do what we can to help. Any suggestions?
Phil Pavey
We are an Ontario-Canada based Co. that has no Hurricane experience. We have had our share of big blows but nothing that compares with Hurricanes or Katrina. We have big hearts and a desire to help those in need, but find it difficult to find an "umbrella" agency that can facilitate Canadians to help, without the increased hassles of temporary visas, green cards. Volunteering is good...how can we do that without imposing on our state-side friends? Making some extra $ is helpful especially for those of us in the more Northern parts of the province when our season will come to an ubrupt end due to the onset of winter and freeze-up. It becomes quite clear that when a response for help is req'd, we run into all sorts of resistance.
I talked with ISA at this years conference in Nashville. Facilitating Arborists at a times like this does not fall into their mandate.
I talked with TCIA Safety Advisor, Peter Gerstenberger, and he too did not have any insight as to TCIA being a facilitator to help organize TCIA members from out of state/province. We pay good amounts of $ to be a part of these organizations, and perhaps an outfit like TCIA, or a "Triage" comittee of TCIA, could be the "Umbrella" organization to help those companies that are a part of TCIA and being "Accredited" the opportunity of being helpful at times like during last years hurricanes in Florida, the Tsunami in Indonesia, Katrina, and others. There are a couple of forum notes from our UK friends of their willingness to offer their skill sets, but find it awkward as well. What a great resource and definitley an opportunity for increased experience. We would be happy to link up with a willing State-side company, follow their lead, and do what we can to help. Any suggestions?
Phil Pavey
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Dan F did pass the contact name and number along to me. I have a personal call into the Director and will ask if I can post their personal contact information here, or whether they'd rather work through a liazon (me). I'm 100% for sharing fully and having complete transparancy in the information available. However, in this case, it's best to have permission to put a person's personal contact information on an open forum.
I will invite them to join this thread, or secondarily, ask for myself to be put on their contact / go-to list so I can share their updates with all of you as soon as received. The more direct-from-the-source our information is, the better. Also, once down there, the Arbo's benefit is enhanced having direct contact with those names and numbers, rather than having to come back here for information passed on from the source.
Thank you, DanF, for finding this potential contact. I might add that DanF got this as he is at Purdue University and the Universities were the point of contact from Mississippi. What they are asking for in the message is what we have to offer, so I will do my best to get us aligned one-on-all with this Director of Urban Forestry down in Madison, Mississippi.
I will invite them to join this thread, or secondarily, ask for myself to be put on their contact / go-to list so I can share their updates with all of you as soon as received. The more direct-from-the-source our information is, the better. Also, once down there, the Arbo's benefit is enhanced having direct contact with those names and numbers, rather than having to come back here for information passed on from the source.
Thank you, DanF, for finding this potential contact. I might add that DanF got this as he is at Purdue University and the Universities were the point of contact from Mississippi. What they are asking for in the message is what we have to offer, so I will do my best to get us aligned one-on-all with this Director of Urban Forestry down in Madison, Mississippi.
Tree Machine
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Answering you, ArborVista, this question will be brought up direct with Mississippi as their state regulations are the ones to go by. Hopefully we will know more for you within 24 hours. Today is a Sunday, so if I am unable to connect today, I'll be on it first thing in the morning. I promise.
Keep up the good work, men. Continue your preparations. The information you insiders bring to us is highly valued and appreciated by those outside the zone seeking that information. We'll post everything that comes in to assist those heading down.
Keep up the good work, men. Continue your preparations. The information you insiders bring to us is highly valued and appreciated by those outside the zone seeking that information. We'll post everything that comes in to assist those heading down.
pantheraba
ArboristSite Operative
DRT "In the Zone"
Some of you guys may not want all the details so here is the short version…there is a tremendous amount of tree work to be done in this area…Picayune and Slidell, MS. I spent the last 2 days at 30 to 60 feet up most of the day…you can see a lot from that vantage point. Incredible destruction…lots of downed trees in yards, on houses, in pools, from one lot into a neighbor’s lot, MANY widow makers, just hanging in the trees, waiting to fall.
I am sure folks need a lot of help now and will be for months, maybe years. Lots of trees are broken off about 15-30 feet above ground, like a bomb hit them. Pines seem to have suffered most.
Team One of our Disaster Relief Team is on site in Picayune, MS. We packed our gear Thursday night, got about 3 hrs sleep and left Fri. AM for MS. Enroute we came across what appeared to be a collision on an exit ramp in Meridian…two cars nose to nose. Ends up one was manned by a 94 yr old man going to visit his wife in a nursing home. He was confused and came down the exit ramp, was almost headed north in the southbound lane. The car that was blocking him (at first I thought this guy was a hero) took off when we were coming towards the Cadillac the elderly man was driving…we don’t know why he took off but he vamoosed…as soon as he moved his car the Caddie shot across both lanes of I-20 traffic, at about 2 mph, no hurry, and narrowly missed getting hit by 2 tractor trailers.
Long story short, one of our guys drove Elmer’s car for him to the nursing home, we escorted him in, and while he visited his wife we spoke to the administration so they could get him some help…they were calling his family to help him get home.
After this one hour detour we finally got to our host’s home in Picayune. We set up camp Friday night and got started Sat. AM early. We drove down to Slidell with Derwin, our host, to his father-in-law’s home. Perry had a very large pine on his house. Some of us assessed it for awhile as the others began ground cleanup so we would have a clear working area.
Saturday we cleared out the top which hung out almost horizontal past the roof line about 30 feet. Once limbs were clear, we rigged a central tree to be our belay spar for the rest of the trunk. I chained a pulley lock to handle the line from the Warn Winch we are using to lift trunk pieces and swing them clear of the house.
Today, Sunday, we finished all the trunk pieces. All had the Warn Winch main support and at least one or two tag lines...these were used to arrest the swing as the trunk piece swung the 25-30 feet towards the main belay tree, sometimes with a dynamic belay around trees…a PortaWrap would have been nice.
I dropped the rigging gear from the main belay tree about dusk. Since it is so hot in the day, I went ahead and started up the next belay tree…set the winch pulley about 60 feet up and ran the line to the top of the spar that is still on the house. We plan to use the winch to lift the trunk off the roof and use Derwin’s tractor to pull a chain thru a big block about 30 feet up. As we lift the tree, the tractor will pull sideways to swing to tree off the house and then we can lower it with the winch.
The tree is still attached, kind of, to the root ball…it cracked /broke severely at the base so the root ball will not be too much of a factor…no chance of it helping the tree stand back up…too bad for us.
My ropes and split tails must be real sappy…I just about cannot make them work. I remember reading a thread about how to fix that…need to go find it, Eaqpt. is becoming unusable.
I’ll post pictures as I can edit and downsize them.
Some of you guys may not want all the details so here is the short version…there is a tremendous amount of tree work to be done in this area…Picayune and Slidell, MS. I spent the last 2 days at 30 to 60 feet up most of the day…you can see a lot from that vantage point. Incredible destruction…lots of downed trees in yards, on houses, in pools, from one lot into a neighbor’s lot, MANY widow makers, just hanging in the trees, waiting to fall.
I am sure folks need a lot of help now and will be for months, maybe years. Lots of trees are broken off about 15-30 feet above ground, like a bomb hit them. Pines seem to have suffered most.
Team One of our Disaster Relief Team is on site in Picayune, MS. We packed our gear Thursday night, got about 3 hrs sleep and left Fri. AM for MS. Enroute we came across what appeared to be a collision on an exit ramp in Meridian…two cars nose to nose. Ends up one was manned by a 94 yr old man going to visit his wife in a nursing home. He was confused and came down the exit ramp, was almost headed north in the southbound lane. The car that was blocking him (at first I thought this guy was a hero) took off when we were coming towards the Cadillac the elderly man was driving…we don’t know why he took off but he vamoosed…as soon as he moved his car the Caddie shot across both lanes of I-20 traffic, at about 2 mph, no hurry, and narrowly missed getting hit by 2 tractor trailers.
Long story short, one of our guys drove Elmer’s car for him to the nursing home, we escorted him in, and while he visited his wife we spoke to the administration so they could get him some help…they were calling his family to help him get home.
After this one hour detour we finally got to our host’s home in Picayune. We set up camp Friday night and got started Sat. AM early. We drove down to Slidell with Derwin, our host, to his father-in-law’s home. Perry had a very large pine on his house. Some of us assessed it for awhile as the others began ground cleanup so we would have a clear working area.
Saturday we cleared out the top which hung out almost horizontal past the roof line about 30 feet. Once limbs were clear, we rigged a central tree to be our belay spar for the rest of the trunk. I chained a pulley lock to handle the line from the Warn Winch we are using to lift trunk pieces and swing them clear of the house.
Today, Sunday, we finished all the trunk pieces. All had the Warn Winch main support and at least one or two tag lines...these were used to arrest the swing as the trunk piece swung the 25-30 feet towards the main belay tree, sometimes with a dynamic belay around trees…a PortaWrap would have been nice.
I dropped the rigging gear from the main belay tree about dusk. Since it is so hot in the day, I went ahead and started up the next belay tree…set the winch pulley about 60 feet up and ran the line to the top of the spar that is still on the house. We plan to use the winch to lift the trunk off the roof and use Derwin’s tractor to pull a chain thru a big block about 30 feet up. As we lift the tree, the tractor will pull sideways to swing to tree off the house and then we can lower it with the winch.
The tree is still attached, kind of, to the root ball…it cracked /broke severely at the base so the root ball will not be too much of a factor…no chance of it helping the tree stand back up…too bad for us.
My ropes and split tails must be real sappy…I just about cannot make them work. I remember reading a thread about how to fix that…need to go find it, Eaqpt. is becoming unusable.
I’ll post pictures as I can edit and downsize them.
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pantheraba
ArboristSite Operative
DRT pictures
These are pictures of the first site we are working.
These are pictures of the first site we are working.
pantheraba
ArboristSite Operative
DRT pictures
More pictures...site, rigging, leaner, me.
More pictures...site, rigging, leaner, me.
pantheraba
ArboristSite Operative
Clearing the top....flood damage.
pantheraba
ArboristSite Operative
DRT pictures
Clearing the top...main rigging tree.
I will post more info as I find time (and a faster connection...this dialup modem is rough when you are used to cable).
Clearing the top...main rigging tree.
I will post more info as I find time (and a faster connection...this dialup modem is rough when you are used to cable).
boo
ArboristSite Operative
Hey guys,
Well I'm back in Hattiesburg MS.
I braught back camper and supplies, I also have some guys on the way bringing another 2 trucks with supplies.... I need to get my guys rolling down here, I'm just now getting out.
any leads or sub-work to get us started restarted?
my phone doesnt get a signal steady at the home where we set up camp.
also my computer has the same problem...but I'll check in later on.
Thanks,
Boo
Well I'm back in Hattiesburg MS.
I braught back camper and supplies, I also have some guys on the way bringing another 2 trucks with supplies.... I need to get my guys rolling down here, I'm just now getting out.
any leads or sub-work to get us started restarted?
my phone doesnt get a signal steady at the home where we set up camp.
also my computer has the same problem...but I'll check in later on.
Thanks,
Boo
Tree Machine
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Hey Boo, glad you could pop back in. Here's the contact for the Hattisburg city forester. Name: Mark Anderson, # 601-297-8904
The general suggestion is ask around with other tree crews. Everyone understands that the amount of work is so extensive that to 'hoard' work is just not beneficial to anyone.
I've been told there is plenty of water and ice available, as well as food, but nay way on finding a place to sleep south of Collins. The suggestion is bring tents, mosquito netting, tarps for covering your camp areas. You would know this already, Boo, but that is more for the guys gearing up to go down.
The general suggestion is ask around with other tree crews. Everyone understands that the amount of work is so extensive that to 'hoard' work is just not beneficial to anyone.
I've been told there is plenty of water and ice available, as well as food, but nay way on finding a place to sleep south of Collins. The suggestion is bring tents, mosquito netting, tarps for covering your camp areas. You would know this already, Boo, but that is more for the guys gearing up to go down.
darkstar
ArboristSite Guru
my crew are pros...... and nothing but ....young men with 8 to 10 years exp ... we have been asked to go to miss .to remove wood etc. fom police men' s homes ........so that they can get back to work ... we are unindated with work here in tennessee,,,,,,,, but are willing to go help these men working ,,,,,,,, under our retired but still working police chief here in chattanooga tennessee ... tomorrow i will have adresses of those officers in need in gulf port miss. they are in [[[[ imm. need ]]]to get back to work ....[[[[[[[[ i need to know who in those areas can help]]]]]]]]]]]] or i will send my crew south .... we can only provide expierence our equ. consist of chipper s and loaders .... i can't imagine our hard core crew of only 4 really exiperenced tree men all climbers etc and another 4 not so hard core crew .....................[[[[ helping that much]]]]] since we have so little equ....... ...... i am asking for tree crews / men in miss. that will help these police officers? i will provide adresses tomorrow ....all in [[[[gulf port.]]]]]]....darkstar
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Dan F
ArboristSite Operative
Just one slight correction, Jim....
I'm no longer a student at Purdue, in fact I left there over four years ago.
I'm still in contact with Profs there though, which is how I got that info......
Let us know what you find out.
Dan
I'm no longer a student at Purdue, in fact I left there over four years ago.
I'm still in contact with Profs there though, which is how I got that info......
Let us know what you find out.
Dan
Tree Machine
Addicted to ArboristSite
Hey teamtree, another Hoosier! It is late right now, I have more information I'll post first thing in the morning.
KLBCCTALLY1
ArboristSite Lurker
Headin' West
Hey guys. I'm new here to the site and find it very informative. Three guys and me are heading West from Tallahassee, FL Wednesday or Friday and I had a few questions.
1. What areas need work the most?
2. Do the cell phones work anywhere near these areas?
3. Do you need a MISS. or LA. business license to operate there?
4. How much chain is enough?
5. How do you become a sub for FEMA or someone else that is hauling?
I'll probably think of more ?'s later. This is the only site on the net I could find that even had any information. With as much tree work as everyone here is saying there is, you'd think they would be begging for help.
Anyway, we don't have any large equipment right now but if the money is good over time, then we will purchase some. We probably will have at least twenty saws. Two of us will be gone as long as it takes. We are fortunate enough to have understanding wives. Three of us four own our own business and the fourth is a climber as well as my friend. Two of us have five plus years experience in the business. If anyone knows of some leads and is not going, let us know. I appreciate all of your resources and help. MY contact info is: Ken, Howell & Sons Property Services: (850) 878-9842, [email protected]
Hey guys. I'm new here to the site and find it very informative. Three guys and me are heading West from Tallahassee, FL Wednesday or Friday and I had a few questions.
1. What areas need work the most?
2. Do the cell phones work anywhere near these areas?
3. Do you need a MISS. or LA. business license to operate there?
4. How much chain is enough?
5. How do you become a sub for FEMA or someone else that is hauling?
I'll probably think of more ?'s later. This is the only site on the net I could find that even had any information. With as much tree work as everyone here is saying there is, you'd think they would be begging for help.
Anyway, we don't have any large equipment right now but if the money is good over time, then we will purchase some. We probably will have at least twenty saws. Two of us will be gone as long as it takes. We are fortunate enough to have understanding wives. Three of us four own our own business and the fourth is a climber as well as my friend. Two of us have five plus years experience in the business. If anyone knows of some leads and is not going, let us know. I appreciate all of your resources and help. MY contact info is: Ken, Howell & Sons Property Services: (850) 878-9842, [email protected]
