I stay away from the Norwood chat room. It is a little one sided in discussion for me. The LL24 fits a small nitch market. A csm will supply all the wood a hobbyist wood crafter will ever want with out much capital investment. People trying to make money off milling, doing any volume of milling, or have heavy equipment start off in the Lumbermate class of mills (much better that the LL24). The LL24 will do most anything the Lumbermate will do. It will not take a 24” hickory log dropped on it. Roll a heavy log with a pig tail on the bunk and it will bend. You just mill slower and gentler on the LL24. After the sins of a colorful youth my body did not like the CSM and the others mills seemed too much at the time. Don’t forget you can add steel to the track and bunks on the LL24 over time and make it stronger, not faster. If you are going to add the 13 Honda just get the Lumbermate. It is not much more money and a much better machine. There really is no cheap band mill. Wait to you order a couple of boxes of blades, the bill for sharpening the blades, or start pricing equipment to sharpen your own blades. There is a real cost to any free board. Norwood used to have a list of owners you could call in your area and see the mills. I am not sure if this is true now. It can’t hurt to call and ask. Good luck.