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>Did I do ok:happy::innocent::popcorn2:?

I am NOT commenting! if I did, not doubt in no time, everybody would think I was easy... lol
Just cause there were only two replies to the first time I asked, not that I'm counting, I have a hard time with all that math stuff.
I would just say,"hook, line, and sinker":cheers:.
Good night all, may be back but just in case.
 
Could you go over the 200% and mark it down by half part again, I have a hard time with story problems.
Say I ask $100, but you need 'a deal'. If I double the price, that is a 100% mark up.

A 200% mark up 'sounds' like twice as much, but is really 100% + 100%, or $300 total in this example. Half off, it's yours for only $150!

Go brag to your friends!

Philbert
 
Say I ask $100, but you need 'a deal'. If I double the price, that is a 100% mark up.

A 200% mark up 'sounds' like twice as much, but is really 100% + 100%, or $300 total in this example. Half off, it's yours for only $150!

Go brag to your friends!

Philbert
Thanks Philbert, I get the go brag to your friends part;).
It's awesome not only your wealth of knowledge, but you willingness to share/teach others, I'm listening.
 
Man, your that guy, I don't shut them down though. If I have it listed for 300 and you offer me 150 I say sure I'll take 150 with a 200 trade:yes:, and I always include a smiley face:).

I tell my wife you don't negotiate, sounds like yours has you trained:p.

Yep I'm that guy and thats ok. In my area negotiating is accepted and typically expected so I have no problem making an offer. Sometimes I get ignored and that's ok. Some of the response are pretty good as well. I don't always offer 1/2 it depends on the pricing, how much I need it and what else is in the package. Remember I am not trying to make a deal with family or friends. I handle those differently. I am making a deal with someone that I never met and probably will never see again. By asking, it doesn't mean I am forcing them to sell it to me. I am just asking and the seller ultimately sets the sale price and sometimes we can agree on a price we both fell good about. To be fair on the flip side, as a seller I ignore the low ball buyers as well. That is why I take no offense when I get ignored.
My wife has me trained. Yes she does. If your married for any length of time and you don't think your wife has you trained, you are lying to yourself :lol:
I never negotiated until I met her and watched her do it. She got me trained and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. :innocent:
 
Say I ask $100, but you need 'a deal'. If I double the price, that is a 100% mark up.

A 200% mark up 'sounds' like twice as much, but is really 100% + 100%, or $300 total in this example. Half off, it's yours for only $150!

Go brag to your friends!

Philbert

I don't always need perceived deal. The other 1/2 of the equation is for the buyer to have a clue about the value of the item. If what you are selling is a good price at $100 I am not going to bother trying to negotiate I am going to pay you. But anyone that wants to negotiate needs to know what the value of what they are buying. So if what you are selling is worth $100 and I know that. You have it priced at $300 and wont go lower than $150 then I tell you GLWS, thanks for you time and walk away.

The math in your story problem is like the pricing on 15 year old stihl homeowner saws on CL in my area. I paid $250 for this saw in 2001 so it is worth $500 in 2016 because it is a stihl.:chainsaw:
 
Yep I'm that guy and thats ok. In my area negotiating is accepted and typically expected so I have no problem making an offer. Sometimes I get ignored and that's ok. Some of the response are pretty good as well. I don't always offer 1/2 it depends on the pricing, how much I need it and what else is in the package. Remember I am not trying to make a deal with family or friends. I handle those differently. I am making a deal with someone that I never met and probably will never see again. By asking, it doesn't mean I am forcing them to sell it to me. I am just asking and the seller ultimately sets the sale price and sometimes we can agree on a price we both fell good about. To be fair on the flip side, as a seller I ignore the low ball buyers as well. That is why I take no offense when I get ignored.
My wife has me trained. Yes she does. If your married for any length of time and you don't think your wife has you trained, you are lying to yourself :lol:
I never negotiated until I met her and watched her do it. She got me trained and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. :innocent:
I get it, Craigslist is what I do. Like Philbert said though I don't double the price of an item(300x2.0) to sell it expecting people to offer half(600x.50) I look at what craigslist retail is(my phrase) and try to buy low enough so I can sell lower or at the same price and still make a buck. Lower if it is a like condition item and same price if it is like condition and has extras. I have low overhead so there is no reason for me to make pawnshop offers as I am not hurting for cash either like you said I don't need to buy or sell, I do it because I enjoy it, how cool is that. I have even given people more than what they have asked sometimes telling them other times not.
Here's one I sold a month ago for 325 I made 50 a free husky power box, gas can, and a couple other odds and ends

2014 Husqvarna Rancher 455 Chain saw W/ 20" Bar & Chain purchased late last fall.
This saw is in great shape with only a few tanks of fuel through it.
Great firewood saw as it does about everything you would need.
Starts second pull when cold(first pull when warm), idles, oils and cuts great, I just bought a new pro saw and will not be needing it.
I have about 1/2 to 3/4 of a gallon of bar & chain oil and 5 small 1 gallon bottles of pre mix oil( only one out of the pack) to go with the saw that will last for a lot of cutting.
You can try it out as I have plenty of wood you can cut up for me lol.
I will also be listing my MS441c for $700 this is for the power head only no bar or chains included.
It looks cleaner than this one does:).
Also will consider a nice wood splitter for trade. I can ad cash (lots if it has a log lift:), just let me know what you have and send pictures if possible (no home made unit please).
I will be in Grand Rapids today if anyone would like me to bring it out so you can look at it.
Thanks,
Brett
I sold it to the first person who looked at it no questions asked about the price. It was a fair deal and he new it, so much so he said he didn't need the bar oil and still gave me full asking price, yes free bar oil too:lol:
If he wanted to make an offer I would have told him I will take 300 without all the extras and ad them to the next deal. Like I did last night with the Ms310 case the guy didn't want and I put the free bar hanging in the basement with the stihl bars and chains(and a few husky's) that are ready to go along with the brand new chains and the used ones. My way works well for me and I have plenty to share with others because of how I do it:clap:
In regards to the training yes I would be lying to say I wasn't trained, I was trained in previous relationships that failed and my wife is now receiving the benifits now thats a great freebie.
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I don't always need perceived deal. The other 1/2 of the equation is for the buyer to have a clue about the value of the item. If what you are selling is a good price at $100 I am not going to bother trying to negotiate I am going to pay you. But anyone that wants to negotiate needs to know what the value of what they are buying. So if what you are selling is worth $100 and I know that. You have it priced at $300 and wont go lower than $150 then I tell you GLWS, thanks for you time and walk away.

The math in your story problem is like the pricing on 15 year old stihl homeowner saws on CL in my area. I paid $250 for this saw in 2001 so it is worth $500 in 2016 because it is a stihl.:chainsaw:
I like that you admit you don't "always" need a perceived deal:surprised3:
Now the truth comes out:lol:.
You see I think Philbert and I are saying we try to price fair:).
Agreed on knowing the value. Many people are selling items they don't even know how to use or what they are LOL.
I won't even waste my time calling a person who has an item that should be priced at 100 listed for 300, I just save it in my bookmarks and watch it.
When they realize it should be lower and change the price I see it, because those poeple don't renew there ads, but I would never offer them 100 for it.
I don't have time for a lot of back and forth, I try to avoid it. I know what I want to pay and you know what your willing to sell for just give me the price up front and I will pay it or walk. I'm a pretty easy read, most people enjoy that when making a deal.
In regards to the 500 028, well it is a stihl:baba: If it was a 346 oe witha ported OEM ne P&C now we might be talking if it was 500:chainsaw::laugh:.
 
chipper that is totally cool that you are able to buy/sell on craigslist on a regular basis. When I sell I usually build in a little cushion for the negotiators. That why I can come down in price and still get what I am looking for. So if I want $100 for an item I will price it at $125 so I have room to come down a bit and everyone is happy.

As for the saws I buy. I have only bought two on CL so far both are for personal use. One was a CS-400 it was on there for a 6 or 8 weeks at $100 and had some awful pictures. I offered the guy $65 bucks he needed $70 so that is what he got. When I showed up he was trying hard to sell it to me. He didn't have to it was sold and he had me take a gallon of B/C oil with me. Which is great for me and he didn't want the b/c oil since he had no use for it. The saw did need a new chain and a little muffler work but that was really it.

The other saw was a Husky 365XT. Again it had awful pictures and had been on CL for 3 months with an asking price of $300. I asked my wife what she would do and she said offer $150 I did he came back at $275 and I said no thank you. Two weeks later he texts me and asks if I am interested at $200. He also dropped the CL price to $200 I was interested and would have taken it but for whatever reason I asked if he would take $175 he said yes and the saw was sold. Never in a million years did I expect to here back from this guy but I guess he needed to move the saw.

I never had anyone say yes or come back close to a low ball offer but sometimes it starts a conversation. But I don't typically go after a sale with the guy that knows what he has and what it is worth. I usually offer on the ad's that have poor pictures and have been on CL for a long long time. Those people sometimes are willing to work with me. I am not going to waste someone like you or philbert's time who know what they have and how to advertise the sale.

It seems husky and echo saws around me don't hold there value at all for whatever reason. But right now in my area it is a buyers market on CL. I have been seeing the same saws on there since September. New ones are added but they aren't selling for whatever reason.
 
I've always been pretty put off by anyone that tries to negotiate without coming to see what I have to sell. If you're willing to come look at it, I'm willing to make a deal. If you just want to waste my time with emails/etc, then I want the asking price firm.


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chipper that is totally cool that you are able to buy/sell on craigslist on a regular basis. When I sell I usually build in a little cushion for the negotiators. That why I can come down in price and still get what I am looking for. So if I want $100 for an item I will price it at $125 so I have room to come down a bit and everyone is happy.

As for the saws I buy. I have only bought two on CL so far both are for personal use. One was a CS-400 it was on there for a 6 or 8 weeks at $100 and had some awful pictures. I offered the guy $65 bucks he needed $70 so that is what he got. When I showed up he was trying hard to sell it to me. He didn't have to it was sold and he had me take a gallon of B/C oil with me. Which is great for me and he didn't want the b/c oil since he had no use for it. The saw did need a new chain and a little muffler work but that was really it.

The other saw was a Husky 365XT. Again it had awful pictures and had been on CL for 3 months with an asking price of $300. I asked my wife what she would do and she said offer $150 I did he came back at $275 and I said no thank you. Two weeks later he texts me and asks if I am interested at $200. He also dropped the CL price to $200 I was interested and would have taken it but for whatever reason I asked if he would take $175 he said yes and the saw was sold. Never in a million years did I expect to here back from this guy but I guess he needed to move the saw.

I never had anyone say yes or come back close to a low ball offer but sometimes it starts a conversation. But I don't typically go after a sale with the guy that knows what he has and what it is worth. I usually offer on the ad's that have poor pictures and have been on CL for a long long time. Those people sometimes are willing to work with me. I am not going to waste someone like you or philbert's time who know what they have and how to advertise the sale.

It seems husky and echo saws around me don't hold there value at all for whatever reason. But right now in my area it is a buyers market on CL. I have been seeing the same saws on there since September. New ones are added but they aren't selling for whatever reason.
I'll give you 300 for both saws delivered to 49331 and you can keep the B&C oil.
This way you can grab up some of those deals that you have out your way:).
 
I like that you admit you don't "always" need a perceived deal:surprised3:

In regards to the 500 028, well it is a stihl:baba: If it was a 346 oe witha ported OEM ne P&C now we might be talking if it was 500:chainsaw::laugh:.

Wait wait wait as soon as you added ported and oem..... you completely changed the game. But who it is ported by also matters.
 
I've always been pretty put off by anyone that tries to negotiate without coming to see what I have to sell. If you're willing to come look at it, I'm willing to make a deal. If you just want to waste my time with emails/etc, then I want the asking price firm.


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I like to at least know where people are at before I leave the house. I just tell them I need to know how much cash to bring, I always bring more just incase they have other items I like:envy:. I always look around in peoples pictures to see what they have too:picture:
Like I said above if I'm calling you I will pay the full asking price if it looks as good as described/pictures show.
When I call many times I'm hooking the trailer up and sometimes heading their direction as I call.
I have kept people on the phone for 1.5hrs just so no one else can call:surprised3:, the tractor in the picture was one of those deals.
 
I'll give you 300 for both saws delivered to 49331 and you can keep the B&C oil.
This way you can grab up some of those deals that you have out your way:).

Nope not gonna happen. I haven't even had a chance to run the 365xt. And the now MM CS -400 is my favorite little saw. I actually use it more the my 50cc MS271 as its lighter and has plenty of power. Also 70CC+ saws in my area are rare. They don't sell fast. I do have a MM echo cs-310 I will sell you for $300 :lol: oh wait I am pricing for CL in my area, never mind. I enjoy the negotiation. But I keep it short. It is usually an offer, counter offer or no and we are either going to make an deal or not. I am not one to give a song and a dance about why I want a price or not. Then when I show up for the sale it is same day cash in hand. I do look the saw over quickly but there is no BS once we agree on price before I show up and I always show up. Nothing makes me crazier than someone that doesn't show up.
 
I work 7 days/week in tax season, but not right now. Will get very busy in about 2 weeks, then playing with saws & wood will be over for 2.5 months.

I retired as an Audit Manager with NYS 8 years ago (was there 32.5 years). I paid my dues, worked in war zones in NYC, audited the mob (and survived), etc. (Garbage Contracts at Pilgrim Psyc Ctr). Competitors had been murdered, and competitors trucks were suffering from spontaneous combustion. Informants would call us, and have to meet with us within 5 minutes, for only 5 minutes, at a public place. It was interesting. We found a lot of serious issues, and then the State would not issue the report. Someone must have gotten to them in high places.

The contractor had plead "no contest" to killing an FBI informant, and was fined 1/2 million. The lawyers said they were pleased with the settlement. That kind of lets you know what is going on.
 
I delivered 1/2 cord of White Oak yesterday, and will deliver another 1/2 cord today.

Oh, I'm sorry, I'm off topic!!!
It's ok I'm sure it won't happen again in this or any other thread Mike:drinkingcoffee:.
You know what they say, life come at you fast, you gotta be ready for a change of topic:eek:
I'll give him 5000 for the lambo:).
 
I don't price things at twice what I want, when selling. And I don't base the value of something I am buying solely on the price tag.

Some guys feel they have to 'negotiate' even if it is a fair price.

When guys like that email me, I ignore them. If they come to a garage sale, I offer to mark it up 200% and let them talk me down by half, so they can brag to their friends (those of you good in math may appreciate this approach).

Philbert
That's awesome.

I expect people to haggle but it drives me nuts when people lowball without seeing the item. I never deal on price over the phone/email unless it's pretty close to what I'm asking.
 
@zogger No! Leave that crappy sweetgum in the woods to rot. I hate that stuff. They do make great splitting platforms though lol.

It's in my yard, not gonna waste it. Next to it 30 feet away is a big tulip poplar, that one is coming down, too. I'll mix them both up good in the same stack, which is going to go uphill a little from the sweetgum stump. I'll burn it. Tulip poplar is the tradeoff, splits real easy like ash, especially dried in the round just a scosh, which doesn't take long either.

Like I said, I won't go out of my way in the woods to take sweetgum for firewood unless I am clearing saplings. Bigger ones you need a loader and do log length, you can sell them then, they make railroad ties from them.

Back in ye aulden days when dutch elm disease hit, there were mountains of it all over heck, splits just as nasty, the big american elms anyway. I burned it then because it is what I could scrounge. Tell ya whut, that's where my axe aiming came from, if you didn't chase natural cracks in the rounds (in addition to a sharp blade) you couldn't do it.
 

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