mile9socounty
Two-Stroke Swope
Just an idea here. How comes we don't have pics up of our saws after a full day of work? I mean dirty, covered in oil and chip. Looking like a slobbering rottweiler instead of almost brand new?
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Spent a good portion of today "discussing" buffer zones for squirrels with some state 'Ologists. Good folks, really, but way too focused, I think. Had a particularly spirited discussion over "legacy" trees. They say "Big". I say "We grow 'em big here". They say "Big like that one". I say "That one still has a pointy top and rough bark. It's 80 years old. It's only legacy is remembering WWII". They say "Good enough". I point out a flat-top wagon-wheel with complex epicormic branching all up and down it and say "That tree is probably close to 300 years old, and is smaller than the one we were just talking about. Size isn't everything". They say "Whoah, I thought that was some kind of pine rather than a fir". End result: we're now looking to describe "habitat" structurally rather than tree-by-tree which should make things smoother if not less contentious.
Ya might be onto something there Hatte, trees don't have to be x years old for a sqvirral, to rest his um nuts on, it just has to have branches, From what I can tell flying sqvirrals just need some lift before jumping. Besides there little arm can't reach around an old growth stem anyway...:msp_wink:
This "project" (I'll just call it that for simplicity's sake -- it's actually something else altogether but I don't feel like typing that much) is about Western Grey Squirrels in oak/fir woodlands at the margins of prairies and in forested former prairies. Real specific, I know. You'd think something specific would be easy to define. Well, we're doing better, I suppose, and everybody is getting along finally, but there is still some provincialism going on as well as less give than take on both sides. We all want what's "best" for the forest, it's just hard to agree on what that is.
OlympicYJ
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And those tree truffles they like to eat can be found under 80yr old stuff taboot....:msp_rolleyes:
GRTimberCO
ArboristSite Operative
Today, for my full time job that pays most of the bills, I'm sitting in continuing education class on the National Electric Code. Uhgg ... Frikkin death by Power Point. Only 5 hours and 11 more minutes of listening to inspectors and contractors argue about what the definition of "Point of Protection" is on service lateral and overhead service entrance cable. I'm currently practicing Controlled Apathy. I look interested but couldn't tell you what they are talking about. In my mind I'm figuring out how to get that 40" DBH white oak that lightning hit on a flat trailer with no loader. I think I'm close to having it settled.
GRTimberCO
ArboristSite Operative
Now I think they have moved on to clearances at soffet or exterior wall. The old guy on the end of the front row is getting red faced. He must be in the soffet camp. RIVETING!!! I need a dip. They see me typing and think I'm looking up a code section. 5 hour 3 minutes to go. I wonder if UPS delivered my order from Bailey's yet. Do termites experience boredom?
GRTimberCO
ArboristSite Operative
I just realized the guy two rows up from me that looks like an out of shape Triple H is a women. Maybe, now I don't know. To be continued, stay tuned...
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mile9socounty
Two-Stroke Swope
Have a good time today bud. If you get too bored, head over to the Off Topic section.
Or 30-year-old, where we saw digs yesterday. I'm of the opinion that wildlife folks like to make things more dramatic than they really are in order that they don't get totally blown off. I mean, really -- how much would I care about protecting any given common woodland creature that was doing just fine and wasn't in immediate danger of total extermination? Not a whole hell of a lot, I can say that. I'd likely worry more about a plant -- they can't move out of my way. Critters are conveniently mobile.
OlympicYJ
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My point exactly. One thing with both though is us trying to save every little plant and tree worth it? There is supposed to be evolution where plants and critters go extinct. If a critter isn't adaptable then they were destined for extinction.
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OlympicYJ
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On a lighter note, my wife busted out her new wood burning kit she got for Christmas and started decorating my old wedge beater.
Not bad, eh?umpkin2:
I call dibs on the busted elk horn!
twochains
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It took me many, many woods walking miles to stumble across that shed, I think I'll keep it for now.
Nice find! I pick up white tail sheds and skulls with horns whenever I run across them. One of my co-workers and I were talking about collecting sheds...he said in some states there is an actual season that is regulated for picking up elk sheds??? Ever heard of this? I'm thinking Colorado is where he might have been talking about.
I saw on a t.v. show, "North law"??? anyway this woman called in what she though was a deer trap. It turned out to be a small section of chainlink formed into a half circle and deer feed was put along the bottom of the fence, Evidently this is to catch sheds! I have been in the woods my entire life and NEVER would have thought to do that! Awesome idea!
Oh yeh...NICE AXE! LOL!
1270d
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When I lived in arizona I remember hearing of guys nialing 2 x4 s from tree to tree 4 or 5 feet above ground. Thhen put feed down inside the area. When elk would come in to feed they naturally bump their headgear, and if it was ripe enough, knock it off. Also heard it was illegal, whatever.
I collected them an easier way. I had a Golden Retriever who liked to go out and drag the sheds into the yard. The trick was to get them before she chewed them up.
On the critter note. I read an article today about how Wolverines are recovering well and moving back into
where they used to be. However, because they might could have trouble if the climate warms up, they are now candidates for the endangered species list. Heck, we all could be in danger from some catastrophe so maybe everything ought to go on that list. :msp_rolleyes:
A wildlife biologist to the south got in trouble because he would gather up the endangered slugs and snails and move them to the same type of habitat but out of harm's way on timber sales. Apparently that can't be done.
Also, if you are ever out on a dog and pony show about an upcoming thinning, and a botanist starts in about the rare plants that are now on site, watch their face when you point out that the area was clearcut and burned 50 years ago and the plants seemed to have survived.
On the critter note. I read an article today about how Wolverines are recovering well and moving back into
where they used to be. However, because they might could have trouble if the climate warms up, they are now candidates for the endangered species list. Heck, we all could be in danger from some catastrophe so maybe everything ought to go on that list. :msp_rolleyes:
A wildlife biologist to the south got in trouble because he would gather up the endangered slugs and snails and move them to the same type of habitat but out of harm's way on timber sales. Apparently that can't be done.
Also, if you are ever out on a dog and pony show about an upcoming thinning, and a botanist starts in about the rare plants that are now on site, watch their face when you point out that the area was clearcut and burned 50 years ago and the plants seemed to have survived.
When they start to stammer, searching for an answer, do you make a point out of looking at your watch...like you're timing their response?
Fortunately, where I work, I get to be both the botanist and the forester, so that's not much of a problem. Outside of the fence? Different world. I do, however, have to keep track of the rare stuff and include adequate protections in pre-sale documentation and subsequent planning. One of my sales (should sell in the next couple of months) has the state-listed species Pityopus californica, or Pine-Foot, documented within its boundaries, but it hasn't been seen since 1997, and that documentation is now suspect. Nonetheless, I duly excluded 2 acres around the site where it was last spotted.
I'll be commuting to work in the missus today... jobs only a 1/4 mile from the house...
