I finally cracked the code! Deviation from the original recipe is 5.5 ounces, 1/3 less salt, and a teaspoon of Vanilla, and it is now perfect – crispy crust, chewy inside. And I got the size and shape just right, something over the last couple of years that has been my disappointment. It has been many many years since I have had a bagel from a Bagel Shop, so I can not compare. But I can compare to what is available from the grocery stores in my area, and I Win! I am loving the Elk or Moose Burger Bagel sandwiches.