Pain management

[beowulf343]

COMPANY BEING the word sounds alot better than a dime a dozen climber out there, pays better too , your just upset that we've had the same time on this planet and me the MUTT have managed to insulate myself with a good career and you swing from someone elses rig day in day out taking your pictures and videos all while bashing me for being me , the truth is YOUR THE MUTT in our dog pen and if we were to ever meet my ##### .... So really what ya got you wanna see my WC policy its on the webpage with the rest of our certs . You know where to find it I am sure since you know the color of my trucks ...STALKER

I've got to ask, why the disdain for the "dime a dozen climbers?" I've been climbing for the man for fifteen years, no desire to own a company, make an extremely good living, and honestly love what i do. Some of us aren't cut out to be businessmen, (i'm definitely not), but we fill a niche. Guess i'm just curious why it seems like the pinnacle of being a tree worker is owning a company to so many people.

 

[treeclimber101]

I've got to ask, why the disdain for the "dime a dozen climbers?" I've been climbing for the man for fifteen years, no desire to own a company, make an extremely good living, and honestly love what i do. Some of us aren't cut out to be businessmen, (i'm definitely not), but we fill a niche. Guess i'm just curious why it seems like the pinnacle of being a tree worker is owning a company to so many people.

Its not directed at you personally , but OD callimg me a dime a dozen owner was directed to me personally so the truth be told there probably 10K ODS walking the world so he's not even a dime a dozen , I was and still climb, so often I still consider myself a climber and respect it as a trade worth doing well, so hopefully thats clears things up for ya ....I respect people who do our trade right down to the guys stuck at the shop splitting firewood and washing trucks ..Its hard for me to pat his ego like so many here do , he's just another swinging #### in a tree , no different from anyone else ..

 

[treeclimber101]

Ha, Hi Bud, Well, We are working from the inside out so if we are there when school starts, we are at least on the outer bounderies and that means parking lot's and that sucks a lot. Kids move cones. Weather? Wow, you watch the news? We had a mini heat wave here, OMG! Up to almost a hundred (ha), Now going in reverse, Low 70's next week- crazy! I think (pdqdl!) (sumblimal), trees are freaking.
Jeff

Yea we just started our bid package for a district here all SAT and SUN work since they waited too long due to no budget passed til last month , I will try to put the work off as long as possible if we get it , gives me something to look too when things get a little slower ... As far as the heat its been nice all week til today , its hot again and next week its gonna be hell ....

 

[tree MDS]

I've got to ask, why the disdain for the "dime a dozen climbers?" I've been climbing for the man for fifteen years, no desire to own a company, make an extremely good living, and honestly love what i do. Some of us aren't cut out to be businessmen, (i'm definitely not), but we fill a niche. Guess i'm just curious why it seems like the pinnacle of being a tree worker is owning a company to so many people.

No disdain here wulfy. I think you and od are both lucky to have your positions - to get the chance to work with all the big toys everyday, steady work, etc., etc. I wish I had that opportunity before I went out on my own.

On the other hand, there is a lot of pride involved in building your own business as well. For me, I'm not really in a rush to get all the big toys right away, and be super successful. I think the fun is in the getting there, not the being there. It's not all about the money for me. I like to see my dream grow.

 

[jefflovstrom]

Yea we just started our bid package for a district here all SAT and SUN work since they waited too long due to no budget passed til last month , I will try to put the work off as long as possible if we get it , gives me something to look too when things get a little slower ... As far as the heat its been nice all week til today , its hot again and next week its gonna be hell ....

Maybe your state will get better with your new Governor.
Jeff

 

[Blakesmaster]

Yea your right play with the biz 24/7 , this is the life you want ? Not me I work 5.5 days a week thats it , if the chipper breaks got another , if that one breaks I reschedule , the tree will still be there the next day, one day you will understand that maybe you won't but I guarantee when your rich and lonely all you'll have to show for it is a big house and nice trucks and maybe a wife who's not screwing the pool boy with her hand deep in her sugar daddies pocket... I don't need the clout like some I am small but thats fine I have plenty of work , Ha I don't even take deposits and the people still wait ....Were also in different places in our lives I have 2 small babies and need some time for them , my father has a business and when I was growing up a ghost , out of ALL the people in my family I know him the least...

To each their own, 101. I, unlike you, put my clients first always. If I say I'm going to be somewhere and do something I stick by my word and make sure it gets done. Nothing wrong with being small time either. I'll probably never go super huge and have no interest in monster houses and being overly wealthy. My main concern is making my company stand apart from the rinky dink guys who continually push customer's off, have equipment break down in the driveway, leave piles of wood/brush/debris/stumps what have you for x amount of time at an HO's property. Not saying you do this but if you're clocking out at 6 everyday and running sub par equipment it tells me that you're less concerned about your clients needs and doing a good job and more concerned about making sure you get your beer on time every day. I get in, get the job done, get paid, and get out. That's what being professional is all about. If I gotta stay late to make sure a job gets done so I can move my equipment on for the next day, I do it. No questions asked.

 

[Blakesmaster]

No disdain here wulfy. I think you and od are both lucky to have your positions - to get the chance to work with all the big toys everyday, steady work, etc., etc. I wish I had that opportunity before I went out on my own.

On the other hand, there is a lot of pride involved in building your own business as well. For me, I'm not really in a rush to get all the big toys right away, and be super successful. I think the fun is in the getting there, not the being there. It's not all about the money for me. I like to see my dream grow.

Word. Nothing wrong with making a good living working for someone else. Unfortunately in our industry it's rare to find an employer willing to pay a solid wage with good benefits that allows their workers to live comfortably and save for retirement. This is why we continually see new startups and why so many of the skilled and dependable guys start their own shows. The best steady job I could get around here would be 20 an hour with no benny's. Screw that. I'll do my own thing.

 

[tree md]

I've had two days off in three weeks. That's subbing and doing my own jobs. There has been times when i was so busy that I would turn the phone off but that has been many moons ago. The last time I had worked 31 days straight in snow and ice doing storm damage and had lost my voice for two weeks. I turned my phone off and slept for two days straight. I'd like to be that busy again. Right now I answer every call and work everyday I can out of necessity. It's not that I would not like to have a life, bills dictate that I work all I can right now. I'll take a break when it slows down in the Winter.

Just got in from two small jobs. Both little add-ons to work I have already done.

 

[treeclimber101]

To each their own, 101. I, unlike you, put my clients first always. If I say I'm going to be somewhere and do something I stick by my word and make sure it gets done. Nothing wrong with being small time either. I'll probably never go super huge and have no interest in monster houses and being overly wealthy. My main concern is making my company stand apart from the rinky dink guys who continually push customer's off, have equipment break down in the driveway, leave piles of wood/brush/debris/stumps what have you for x amount of time at an HO's property. Not saying you do this but if you're clocking out at 6 everyday and running sub par equipment it tells me that you're less concerned about your clients needs and doing a good job and more concerned about making sure you get your beer on time every day. I get in, get the job done, get paid, and get out. That's what being professional is all about. If I gotta stay late to make sure a job gets done so I can move my equipment on for the next day, I do it. No questions asked.

Who said anything about sub par equipment , My machines are clean enough to eat off of , and mostly newer than 2000 , so whatever , if you really wanna go there and have a #### measurement contest of who's rocking what thats fine , we can do that too ... I have customers since I started more than ten years ago most don't even want a price cause they already know what its gonna be seriously so they call with a problem and I take care of it ,I have put in my time and if your still humping or wrenching on some junk cummings motor til midnite than whos the monkey ####### the football , while I am home watching my kids at practice ... HA HA good luck with that.. I've seen what you call a big job and we usually do 3 of them a week without breaking a sweat..

 

[jefflovstrom]

Who said anything about sub par equipment , My machines are clean enough to eat off of , and mostly newer than 2000 , so whatever , if you really wanna go there and have a #### measurement contest of who's rocking what thats fine , we can do that too ... I have customers since I started more than ten years ago most don't even want a price cause they already know what its gonna be seriously so they call with a problem and I take care of it ,I have put in my time and if your still humping or wrenching on some junk cummings motor til midnite than whos the monkey ####### the football , while I am home watching my kids at practice ... HA HA good luck with that.. I've seen what you call a big job and we usually do 3 of them a week without breaking a sweat..

Dang man!, You sound pissed off about something. You OK?
Jeff

 

[Blakesmaster]

Who said anything about sub par equipment , My machines are clean enough to eat off of , and mostly newer than 2000 , so whatever , if you really wanna go there and have a #### measurement contest of who's rocking what thats fine , we can do that too ... I have customers since I started more than ten years ago most don't even want a price cause they already know what its gonna be seriously so they call with a problem and I take care of it ,I have put in my time and if your still humping or wrenching on some junk cummings motor til midnite than whos the monkey ####### the football , while I am home watching my kids at practice ... HA HA good luck with that.. I've seen what you call a big job and we usually do 3 of them a week without breaking a sweat..

Look pal. I'm not looking for a pissing contest here. You can stroke your own #### all you like bragging up your biz and your equipment and your client base. You say it's top notch? Cool, toss up some pics. Either way, I don't really care. Anything you've got I've already had or will get soon enough so it doesn't matter to me. It's your attitude and business principles I was taken aback by.

You have a point that we may just be at different places in our lives. I don't have kids to attend to and Laura's super laid back about time with me so I can seriously focus on business. You're not there now, or maybe you've been there and are done with it. Whatever the case may be.

All I'm saying is I stand by my word as a businessman. If I tell a customer I will be there at 7 am on Tuesday to take apart their tree, I'm gonna be there even if it means staying past 6 on Monday to get ready. If I wanted a straight 9 to 5 I never would have started my own show. You seem the type to be soaking up the benny's of being in business for yourself but not willing to make the sacrifices that naturally come along with it. That's ok, there's plenty of you guys around and my customer base keeps growing as more and more clients get pissed at the unreliability of guys like you.

 

[jefflovstrom]

Look pal. I'm not looking for a pissing contest here. You can stroke your own #### all you like bragging up your biz and your equipment and your client base. You say it's top notch? Cool, toss up some pics. Either way, I don't really care. Anything you've got I've already had or will get soon enough so it doesn't matter to me. It's your attitude and business principles I was taken aback by.

You have a point that we may just be at different places in our lives. I don't have kids to attend to and Laura's super laid back about time with me so I can seriously focus on business. You're not there now, or maybe you've been there and are done with it. Whatever the case may be.

All I'm saying is I stand by my word as a businessman. If I tell a customer I will be there at 7 am on Tuesday to take apart their tree, I'm gonna be there even if it means staying past 6 on Monday to get ready. If I wanted a straight 9 to 5 I never would have started my own show. You seem the type to be soaking up the benny's of being in business for yourself but not willing to make the sacrifices that naturally come along with it. That's ok, there's plenty of you guys around and my customer base keeps growing as more and more clients get pissed at the unreliability of guys like you.

Good post, BM, I tried to rep ya, but you know I gotta spread it around.
TC101 is probably having a bad hair day.
Jeff
We are all buds in the end.

 

[treevet]

WOW! The war zone! this thread has bummed me out

In other words, the arguing is retarded. Really does remind of my kids and the Facebook wars, I hope no kills themselves over cyber bullying on here.

You are way off base here bud. This is how tree guys talk to each other and there is some honest and straight from the gut stuff being said and felt.

If there is a war zone in the trades then it is tree work where you can die on any given day and just like soldiering.....if you're not tough and you are offended easily then who wants to sit in a bunker with you?

Try telling any of these treemen you are referring to as kids on facebook and retarded this crap and you will likely be shihtting teeth the next day.

 

[treemandan]

Gee, when a client asks me when I will be there I usually say " hopefully by the day after you call me and ask me if I am still gonna do the job"
Ok, maybe not,sometimes I say it as a joke but still, its all about me anyway. I also really don't schedule jobs purposely so the HO can be there. I like my space. This really has a lot to do with the topic of " pain management" if you know what I mean.
Hell, I have a book, its called " Excuses". Its great!
I have no problem calling a client to tell them I am behind schedule and it will be a few more days. That's not usually the case though because they allready know my deal and they seem to be fine with it. I mean they keep calling me back for more work and smile when they pay me.
That is pretty much protocal for most things but if there is something pressing I usually seem to be able to accomodate. But , no, in most cases I don't ever really commit to being there on a specific day. How the Hell do I know if its gonna be pouring down rain? Maybe I have to stay home with the kid. Maybe the God dam dump truck won't start. Maybe its still sitting on jack stands waiting for the right E brake cable. I dunno.
That's why I like working on the trees. They are usually there all time, any time. Don't need to have the HO home to get to them and if I can't get to it today I will get to it tommorow.
Whoever said scheduling tree work had to be like scheduling a doctors appointment just needs to take a chill pill.

 

[tree md]

Look pal. I'm not looking for a pissing contest here. You can stroke your own #### all you like bragging up your biz and your equipment and your client base. You say it's top notch? Cool, toss up some pics. Either way, I don't really care. Anything you've got I've already had or will get soon enough so it doesn't matter to me. It's your attitude and business principles I was taken aback by.

You have a point that we may just be at different places in our lives. I don't have kids to attend to and Laura's super laid back about time with me so I can seriously focus on business. You're not there now, or maybe you've been there and are done with it. Whatever the case may be.

All I'm saying is I stand by my word as a businessman. If I tell a customer I will be there at 7 am on Tuesday to take apart their tree, I'm gonna be there even if it means staying past 6 on Monday to get ready. If I wanted a straight 9 to 5 I never would have started my own show. You seem the type to be soaking up the benny's of being in business for yourself but not willing to make the sacrifices that naturally come along with it. That's ok, there's plenty of you guys around and my customer base keeps growing as more and more clients get pissed at the unreliability of guys like you.

I got to spread some around first too but be advised, MD rep coming down the pike.

 

[Rftreeman]

I got five brand new chip trucks and chippers to go with them, five cranes, eight brand new bucket trucks, ten or twelve skid steers, I can climb faster than anybody in the world, hell I don't need the equipment, I can do it faster without it, I just have all that stuff so my customers can see that I'm the best there is around here or anywhere else for that matter. I make two mil a week and it only cost me a thou a week to run. I have five three million dollar houses and five different wives and family that live in them. I carry my talley whacker in a red rider wagon or a metal garbage can thrown over my shoulder when I'm climbing.......

I'M ONE BAD MOFO.....

 

[tree MDS]

I got five brand new chip trucks and chippers to go with them, five cranes, eight brand new bucket trucks, ten or twelve skid steers, I can climb faster than anybody in the world, hell I don't need the equipment, I can do it faster without it, I just have all that stuff so my customers can see that I'm the best there is around here or anywhere else for that matter. I make two mil a week and it only cost me a thou a week to run. I have five three million dollar houses and five different wives and family that live in them. I carry my talley whacker in a red rider wagon or a metal garbage can thrown over my shoulder when I'm climbing.......

I'M ONE BAD MOFO.....

Whats a talley whacker? lol.

 

[tree md]

Lol.

 

[ozzy42]

I got five brand new chip trucks and chippers to go with them, five cranes, eight brand new bucket trucks, ten or twelve skid steers, I can climb faster than anybody in the world, hell I don't need the equipment, I can do it faster without it, I just have all that stuff so my customers can see that I'm the best there is around here or anywhere else for that matter. I make two mil a week and it only cost me a thou a week to run. I have five three million dollar houses and five different wives and family that live in them. I carry my talley whacker in a red rider wagon or a metal garbage can thrown over my shoulder when I'm climbing.......

I'M ONE BAD MOFO.....

:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Rftreeman]

I got five brand new chip trucks and chippers to go with them, five cranes, eight brand new bucket trucks, ten or twelve skid steers, I can climb faster than anybody in the world, hell I don't need the equipment, I can do it faster without it, I just have all that stuff so my customers can see that I'm the best there is around here or anywhere else for that matter. I make two mil a week and it only cost me a thou a week to run. I have five three million dollar houses and five different wives and family that live in them. I carry my talley whacker in a red rider wagon or a metal garbage can thrown over my shoulder when I'm climbing.......

I'M ONE BAD MOFO.....

correction: not a Red Rider, it's a Radio Flyer...