kirkeg
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Hmmmmm - maybe we could PM him, I have to try some of that Aspen 2. :greenchainsaw:
Who would like a drum?
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Hmmmmm - maybe we could PM him, I have to try some of that Aspen 2. :greenchainsaw:
Who would like a drum?
andy_engelsk
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Damn that looks fun, interesting stuff..
kirkeg
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gotta remember its 8 in the evening over here
Of course, like i said it's just been an hour.
Thanks Bob Wright - for the link.
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Hmmmmm - maybe we could PM him, I have to try some of that Aspen 2. :greenchainsaw:
Who would like a drum?
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nice avatar photo UK Heartwood![/QUOTE]
Thanks it was removed a while back and only just got round to putting it back up
Thanks it was removed a while back and only just got round to putting it back up
Bob Wright
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refining 101...
I looked at their little refining chart below.
http://www.aspen.se/Files/Guider/Aspen guide-light/Engelsk_Aspen_Light.pdf
And since i was the guy making gasoline at the refinery i just retired from i will explain it in english. They are starting with the light ends (vapors) from the top of the crude tower which is the top tray of the refining process. All the light stuff, gas, kero, diesel, lp gas goes up the tower. The heavy ends go down, ashphalt, bulk dist (used for gasoline) go to the bottom to be used in another unit of the refinery. They say that their gas contains no benezene, or sulphur thats because they stay below in the heavier oils. Then the vapor which they are using goes thru some trim fans and some coolers to be turned back into a liquid as it is cooled down. Our refinery used that same product to control the temp of the tower to help with the different splits of oils, diesel, kero ect. They (aspen) just pull the vapor, cool it and send it off to another unit for final processing. Just thought i would help with refining 101...Bob
I looked at their little refining chart below.
http://www.aspen.se/Files/Guider/Aspen guide-light/Engelsk_Aspen_Light.pdf
And since i was the guy making gasoline at the refinery i just retired from i will explain it in english. They are starting with the light ends (vapors) from the top of the crude tower which is the top tray of the refining process. All the light stuff, gas, kero, diesel, lp gas goes up the tower. The heavy ends go down, ashphalt, bulk dist (used for gasoline) go to the bottom to be used in another unit of the refinery. They say that their gas contains no benezene, or sulphur thats because they stay below in the heavier oils. Then the vapor which they are using goes thru some trim fans and some coolers to be turned back into a liquid as it is cooled down. Our refinery used that same product to control the temp of the tower to help with the different splits of oils, diesel, kero ect. They (aspen) just pull the vapor, cool it and send it off to another unit for final processing. Just thought i would help with refining 101...Bob
Boskaerm
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Never really tried Aspen, but it`s made by the swede company "Lantmannen" (the Farmer), All the scanidanivian Touring racing cars runs on Aspen 4, so it doesn`t give you any lack of Power 
kirkeg
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Well i emailed and PM'd Mike Acres so we'll probably be hearing from him.
Thanks for the info SawTroll
Thanks for the info SawTroll
kirkeg
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Sure sounds like they could make it here. Probably just a matter of them getting the demand for it here in the States.
Interesting read! I know little to nothing about the refining process.
opcorn:opcorn:While I probably would continue using Shell premium (no ethanol) for my work saws, I would not hesitate to pay 2X for fuel for my collectible saws. It would be nice not to worry about draining the tank and running the carb dry every time that I wanted to use them.
Zombiechopper
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It is available in Canada.
I bought one jug to try. It was $30 for 1 gallon. I bought the unmixed kind and figured I would mix in my own oil for two strokes. I wanted to try it for long term storage emergency fuel for generator as I was told it has a seven year shelf life.
Anyways, I tested it in my mower. 3.5 briggs classic with fixed carb. Mower would barely run. Horrible idle, sputtering, stalled repeatedly. Tried it in two stroke tiller mixed with Ultra at 50:1. Same thing...terrible idle, horrible throttle response, sputtering.
I WILL NEVER BUY IT AGAIN, and I do not recommend it. You would need to retune your saws for it and it would not be a small tuning adjustment either. Makes it a real pain if you wanted to switch back and forth from pump gas
I bought one jug to try. It was $30 for 1 gallon. I bought the unmixed kind and figured I would mix in my own oil for two strokes. I wanted to try it for long term storage emergency fuel for generator as I was told it has a seven year shelf life.
Anyways, I tested it in my mower. 3.5 briggs classic with fixed carb. Mower would barely run. Horrible idle, sputtering, stalled repeatedly. Tried it in two stroke tiller mixed with Ultra at 50:1. Same thing...terrible idle, horrible throttle response, sputtering.
I WILL NEVER BUY IT AGAIN, and I do not recommend it. You would need to retune your saws for it and it would not be a small tuning adjustment either. Makes it a real pain if you wanted to switch back and forth from pump gas
In Western Pa., Sears sells "40 & 50" fuel (40:1 and 50:1). It costs like $5 a quart so I havent tried it.
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Howdy All,
We've run through a couple pallets of the 50Fuel / 40Fuel. http://www.baileysonline.com/search.asp?skw=premixed&PageNo=1&x=14&y=12
So far, (knock on wood) no returns, or complaints. It looks like the largest quantity to any one person was 5 cases. It was a nursery, so it's hard to tell if they bought it for resale, or not. Pretty much all the other sales were single cases. I would venture to guess that there hasn't been anybody putting food on the table with their equipment using it yet unless it was experimental. I don't think many pro's mixing their own fuel and using their own equipment would use it because of cost. Now if you're someone that has a few pieces of 2 cycle equipment and only go through a couple/few gallons a year, I could certainly see the attraction.
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Gregg
We've run through a couple pallets of the 50Fuel / 40Fuel. http://www.baileysonline.com/search.asp?skw=premixed&PageNo=1&x=14&y=12
So far, (knock on wood) no returns, or complaints. It looks like the largest quantity to any one person was 5 cases. It was a nursery, so it's hard to tell if they bought it for resale, or not. Pretty much all the other sales were single cases. I would venture to guess that there hasn't been anybody putting food on the table with their equipment using it yet unless it was experimental. I don't think many pro's mixing their own fuel and using their own equipment would use it because of cost. Now if you're someone that has a few pieces of 2 cycle equipment and only go through a couple/few gallons a year, I could certainly see the attraction.
Regards
Gregg
Bob Wright
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I just saw Craftsman 40:1 premixed at K Mart for 5 bucks a quart. Too rich for my blood...Bob
joe912
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opcorn:
betterbuilt
I build stuff from milled slabs
Well i guess we are all happy with the ethanol blend we are using so why would we need a choice. I bet the fuel line business is booming and carb rebuild kits are flying of the shelf.
joe912
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NO.
There are two domestic sources for good fuel for our O.P.E. First is the most known, TruFuel. It's very good.stuff, but yhe per gallon price ($20-$25) may be cost prohibitive. The second is SEF (small engine fuel) made by VP racing fuels. SEF can be purchased in larger quantities, up to 54 gallon drums. I personally have no experience with SEF but VP has a good reputation in the racing communities.
betterbuilt
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I spend a few days a month milling with a CSM for an average of 4 hours. I go through around 3 gallons of fuel. My real problem with the stuff we are using is that it doesn't burn to clean and I end up breathing it all day. That said, I've heard that Aspen2t burns cleaner. I wouldn't know because its not available in the US.
I guess the price per gallon thing isn't my problem. I just would like something that burns clean. Does the Trufuel or the SEF burn clean?
mikefunaro
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When I mill I mill with two people (so Neither one has to have their head over the powerhead/above the mill) and stay far back so I don't get that wiff of straight exhaust. The last time I did I felt the inside of my nostrils being burnt by some kind of acid...terrible. I wear a dust mask too which seems to help, though it shouldn't be fine enough to capture exhaust gases.
The problem with milling is that you have to run rich mix to protect the saw, and its certain that you're going to be emitting a richer exhaust with more unburnt oil. It's your health vs your saws health to some degree. If you managed to find aspen you would need to also find aspen two stroke oil so that you could richen the mix.
The SEF94 seems to have good durability (I bought a 5 gallon pail to try). It doesn't burn super clean or anything though. It's clearer and cleaner than normal gasoline, but it will still leave you a little woozy if you get a good hit of the stuff coming off an exhaust.
I have thought about a snorkel.
Eccentric
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Warning.........another rambling screed follows......
I have a couple of quarts of the 40-Fuel. RandyMac gave them to me to try. Haven't ran it yet. Wish it cost half the price.............. as then I'd be more likely to run it all the time. I don't go through that much 2-stroke gas anymore since I stopped riding dirt bikes much.
I have experimented a bit with running 100LL av gas. Don't know how much longer I can get it localy however. I've experimented with adding 16oz to 32oz of Coleman Camp Fuel to each gallon of 100LL. These engines seem to run better on that than the straight 100LL (with oil of course). Better cold starting especialy. These engines don't need (or seem to like) 100+ octane gas. 16oz of camp fuel lowers the octane rating of the fuel to about 94 (assuming an octane rating of 55 for the camp fuel). One quart added to a gallon lowers the octane rating of 100LL to around 89.
The trouble with such mixing is that Coleman fuel seems to vary from 55 octane to 70 octane depending on the batch, and on depending on who you ask. At 70 octane, 16oz would lower the rating of 100LL to about 96 (as opposed to 94 for 55 octane camp fuel), with 32oz lowering the rating to about 93 (vs 89). Dunno if that much variance matters. Probably not. May mean I have to fiddle a bit with the mixture screws between batches. No big deal there...
Either way, I end up spending about $9.06 for each 148.5oz of total fuel mix including oil/gas/camp fuel (when mixing 16oz of camp fuel with a gallon of 100LL and running Redline Race Synthetic at 32/1). That makes $8.05/gallon for the 16oz/gallon camp/100LL mix.
The cost rises to $10.63 for each 165oz of total fuel mix (when mixing 32oz of camp fuel with a gallon of 100LL and running Redline at 32/1). That makes $8.24/gallon for the 32oz/gallon camp/10LL mix. I'd like to try VP SEF94, but the local VP guys don't seem to be carrying it yet. It'll be bloody expensive when they do too...
Actual costs of my "Homelite Homebrew" or "Mac Mix" (as I've toyed with calling it) can be reduced a bit further still when I buy Redline in larger bottles than the 16oz size as well. Overall, it still ends up being spendy fuel for chainsaws, dirt bikes, wackers, RC cars, and such.............but it's still a lot cheaper than paying $20/gal plus shipping for 40-Fuel (or buying it local if possible someday).
One more thing.....It's crazy how much more expensive camp fuel has gotten in the last few years. Back when cheapo pump gas was around $2/gallon (or slightly less), camp fuel was about $3/gallon. Now gasoline is usualy hovering around $3/gallon or slightly more.........and camp fuel is now $10+/gallon. WTH? Aren't they both made from the same oil? Plus, our BS Ca-formulation whiz-bang save-the-polar bears gas is supposed to be more expensive to make than the gas we bought 10 years ago...:bang:
I have a couple of quarts of the 40-Fuel. RandyMac gave them to me to try. Haven't ran it yet. Wish it cost half the price.............. as then I'd be more likely to run it all the time. I don't go through that much 2-stroke gas anymore since I stopped riding dirt bikes much.
I have experimented a bit with running 100LL av gas. Don't know how much longer I can get it localy however. I've experimented with adding 16oz to 32oz of Coleman Camp Fuel to each gallon of 100LL. These engines seem to run better on that than the straight 100LL (with oil of course). Better cold starting especialy. These engines don't need (or seem to like) 100+ octane gas. 16oz of camp fuel lowers the octane rating of the fuel to about 94 (assuming an octane rating of 55 for the camp fuel). One quart added to a gallon lowers the octane rating of 100LL to around 89.
The trouble with such mixing is that Coleman fuel seems to vary from 55 octane to 70 octane depending on the batch, and on depending on who you ask. At 70 octane, 16oz would lower the rating of 100LL to about 96 (as opposed to 94 for 55 octane camp fuel), with 32oz lowering the rating to about 93 (vs 89). Dunno if that much variance matters. Probably not. May mean I have to fiddle a bit with the mixture screws between batches. No big deal there...
Either way, I end up spending about $9.06 for each 148.5oz of total fuel mix including oil/gas/camp fuel (when mixing 16oz of camp fuel with a gallon of 100LL and running Redline Race Synthetic at 32/1). That makes $8.05/gallon for the 16oz/gallon camp/100LL mix.
The cost rises to $10.63 for each 165oz of total fuel mix (when mixing 32oz of camp fuel with a gallon of 100LL and running Redline at 32/1). That makes $8.24/gallon for the 32oz/gallon camp/10LL mix. I'd like to try VP SEF94, but the local VP guys don't seem to be carrying it yet. It'll be bloody expensive when they do too...
Actual costs of my "Homelite Homebrew" or "Mac Mix" (as I've toyed with calling it) can be reduced a bit further still when I buy Redline in larger bottles than the 16oz size as well. Overall, it still ends up being spendy fuel for chainsaws, dirt bikes, wackers, RC cars, and such.............but it's still a lot cheaper than paying $20/gal plus shipping for 40-Fuel (or buying it local if possible someday).
One more thing.....It's crazy how much more expensive camp fuel has gotten in the last few years. Back when cheapo pump gas was around $2/gallon (or slightly less), camp fuel was about $3/gallon. Now gasoline is usualy hovering around $3/gallon or slightly more.........and camp fuel is now $10+/gallon. WTH? Aren't they both made from the same oil? Plus, our BS Ca-formulation whiz-bang save-the-polar bears gas is supposed to be more expensive to make than the gas we bought 10 years ago...:bang:
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