Pro's and Con's of the new stove.

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Below are pics of the old and new.

Have used the new stove all last season and this one so far. Have come to find out the differences in both of them. It was hard getting used to the catalyitic stove from the old style.

Start with the Pro's of the new stove over the old one,


1. It does use less wood, Although the wood i am burning this year is a lot drier it still will burn all night.

2. The new stove does put out more heat, It actually is too hot when the temps are not that cold. Which is my fault as i should have bought the next smaller model. This one is rated for a larger house than mine.

3. It looks nicer, Now to some that don't mean nothing and i agree, But it is nice to be able to see the flame. We learned quickly how to keep the glass clean without scrubbing it. When you fill up the stove always place wood against the glass and it will keep it burned off. Be careful not to break the glass.

4. Stove pipe stays cleaner than old one, Don't know why but i would have to clean the old one at least one and sometimes two times a winter. This one is clean all winter long.

5. No elbow at the back of the stove to accumilate soot and creosote. New one has a pipe that goes straight up.

6. More air adjustments, You can control the catatyst air and the fire box air. These two are hard to get a grasp on untill it's used a few times. But once you find the right adj. for your home it's fine.


Now for the Cons.


1. Weight, new sove is extremely heavy and whereever you set it, That's where it's going to stay. It took four big men to carry it in after i took all the doors off. Also had to brace the floor, Now for houses built on concrete pads this is not a problem. It weighs over 600 puonds.

2. Size of firebox, The wood has to be split into a lot smaller pieces to fit in it. Length is shorter but not a big deal.

3.Firebox depth, The old one had about six inches between the bottom of the box and the bottom of the door, New one has about an inch. Ok, Why the problem there? Old one never a problem with burning coals falling out when you open the door. New one you have to keep the ashes removed religiously or you will have hot burning embers in the floor. Has happened a few times already. We did put it on a pad but no fun opening the door and stuff falls out.

4. Catalyst, Supposed to burn smoke and create a cleaner atmosphere, Hogwash, The chimney smokes as much as the old one. I was told you had to get the cat red hot for it to work, But if you do that you can't stay in the house. The stove will be too hot. also the stove stinks when it gets that hot. Now i know a lot of you are going to tear me up on this one, But the smoke pouring out the chimney is proof enough for me. The main reason we bought it was to eliminate the smoke.

5.Small ash pan, Now this is not too much of a big deal. It has to be emptied about every other day and the old one could go nearly a week. It had a huge pan. The ashes don't fall through the grates very well. You have to rake them around to get them to fall.

6. No auto thermostat, The old one had one that would adjust with the temp and adjust the air flow to keep it kinda the same, This one has no such animal.



Now i'm sure i have missed a few on either side of the pro's and con's. All in all the stove works good, it's just not what we expected as far as the burning of smoke and ash. We really wanted to help out with putting less smoke in the air and not bother neighbors around. I will say that it keeps the house warmer and i guess that's what it's all about.

Vermont Dutchwest

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I Like to looks of that stove. Ive got a little englander that Im wanting to replace with a bigger stove. I hate waking up froze :laugh:.
 
The new stove looks better.:)

For 7 years we had a Vermont Acclaim, non-cat, very efficient. When it was set right, it put out no smoke, but was too hot in the house if the outside temp was above 20f. Colder out and it was great... Choke it down so the house wasn't too hot and there were problems. Big time love and hate for that stove!!!

A smaller stove can be run more efficient, with no smoke and not run you out of the house.

The auto thermostat is one reason your old stove made more creosote in the flue.

My brother has the Dutchwest but much older and he doesn't like it.
 
Nice looker S².
Now you got to learn some new ways of burning with a cat stove to make it do its magic. It's the old dog, new tricks thing.:blob2:

Our VC Encore cat has some little steps to get it going correctly. Here's what we've done for years for 100% , 24/7 heating with the Encore.

1. Thermometer in the Encore is on the top center of the stove. Your Dutchwest will have a different placement. In your Manual.

2. Load/start fire. If it's not too cold ( Arkansas ), don't fill it full. Do smaller fires. Full open air and the catalyst bypassed to open directly to the flue.

3. Let the fire get up to a higher temp---for us ~ 500+ F.

4. THEN Engage the cat control.

5. The temp will drop slightly. WAIT ! until the temp starts to rise well above 500 F. THEN lower the air control where you want it.

That last step "lights off" the cat so that it will reburn and recirculate the smoke/gases until the end of the burn cycle or when you're ready for more heat and another load.
Don't forget to DISENGAGE the cat and open the air control when starting another cycle. Then repeat above.

The extra step and fussing with the cat is why stove manufacturers engineered the EPA non cat stoves which for me are not as efficient or long burning as a cat. We have one of each.

Remember, you can't see the cat "light off". No need to. One way at first to see if the cat is working right, is to run outside with a micro brew in hand, see if there's dark smoke coming out of your pipe. If so, the cat is not operating. After awhile, you can drink inside.:bowdown:

Long explanation of someting that is really easier and simpler than I make it sound.

Good luck.
 
I also use a stove that's too big for the house, and I don't live in a very cold area. Try burning a very hot fire and take a look at the chimney. It's always gonna smoke a bit. So don't feel bad about it.
You can try improving your woodburning technique to maximize efficiency. But be sure that your new stove is burning efficiently. The cleaner stove pipe is an indication.

Enjoy the stove.
You can always open a window if it overheats. This way you also get fresh air in addition to warm and comfortable house temps.
 
if firebox is too big, add firebrix within, kinda hard to believe too big a firebox for a cat stove but i never played with a cat
 
if firebox is too big, add firebrix within, kinda hard to believe too big a firebox for a cat stove but i never played with a cat

Adding firebricks (correct spelling) would be doing nothing but screwing up your stove - creating hot spots causing warping, impeded air flow, etc. not to mention voiding your stove's warranty if you have one.

Again, another example of bad advise from the above poster.

Shari
 
Adding firebricks (correct spelling) would be doing nothing but screwing up your stove - creating hot spots causing warping, impeded air flow, etc. not to mention voiding your stove's warranty if you have one.

Again, another example of bad advise from the above poster.

Shari
go ask branchburner back @ hearth, wannabee penius:newbie:
 
Nice looker S².
Now you got to learn some new ways of burning with a cat stove to make it do its magic. It's the old dog, new tricks thing.:blob2:

Our VC Encore cat has some little steps to get it going correctly. Here's what we've done for years for 100% , 24/7 heating with the Encore.

1. Thermometer in the Encore is on the top center of the stove. Your Dutchwest will have a different placement. In your Manual.

2. Load/start fire. If it's not too cold ( Arkansas ), don't fill it full. Do smaller fires. Full open air and the catalyst bypassed to open directly to the flue.

3. Let the fire get up to a higher temp---for us ~ 500+ F.

4. THEN Engage the cat control.

5. The temp will drop slightly. WAIT ! until the temp starts to rise well above 500 F. THEN lower the air control where you want it.

That last step "lights off" the cat so that it will reburn and recirculate the smoke/gases until the end of the burn cycle or when you're ready for more heat and another load.
Don't forget to DISENGAGE the cat and open the air control when starting another cycle. Then repeat above.

The extra step and fussing with the cat is why stove manufacturers engineered the EPA non cat stoves which for me are not as efficient or long burning as a cat. We have one of each.

Remember, you can't see the cat "light off". No need to. One way at first to see if the cat is working right, is to run outside with a micro brew in hand, see if there's dark smoke coming out of your pipe. If so, the cat is not operating. After awhile, you can drink inside.:bowdown:

Long explanation of someting that is really easier and simpler than I make it sound.

Good luck.
That is pretty much the way we operate it, This one has the thermometer on top in the middle too. It is really hot in the house when the thermometer reads 500. Even when we let it get that hot before closing the dampner it still smokes. Guess i just had the idea it was not going to smoke at all. Now i like the stove, My wife does not. She has to wrestle with it more than i do. I am at work while she has to keep it going.
 
if firebox is too big, add firebrix within, kinda hard to believe too big a firebox for a cat stove but i never played with a cat
The firebox is not too big, Don't think you could have one too big.

Adding firebricks (correct spelling) would be doing nothing but screwing up your stove - creating hot spots causing warping, impeded air flow, etc. not to mention voiding your stove's warranty if you have one.

Again, another example of bad advise from the above poster.

Shari
I agree, Don't think extra firebricks would be a good idea.
 
That is pretty much the way we operate it, This one has the thermometer on top in the middle too. It is really hot in the house when the thermometer reads 500. Even when we let it get that hot before closing the dampner it still smokes. Guess i just had the idea it was not going to smoke at all. Now i like the stove, My wife does not. She has to wrestle with it more than i do. I am at work while she has to keep it going.

A couple of other techniques to try.
Just have her NOT use the cat damper at all with small fires. The cat is there for efficient, clean burns. But if she's getting enough heat from the stove, skip the cat and order her ( sure! ) to not fill the firebox.
I know a few cat stove owners here who never have used the cat option ( as much as I try to talk them into its advantages ). They burn the cat stove the way they used to with pre EPA stoves.

Good luck.
 
A couple of other techniques to try.
Just have her NOT use the cat damper at all with small fires. The cat is there for efficient, clean burns. But if she's getting enough heat from the stove, skip the cat and order her ( sure! ) to not fill the firebox.
I know a few cat stove owners here who never have used the cat option ( as much as I try to talk them into its advantages ). They burn the cat stove the way they used to with pre EPA stoves.

Good luck.
We've done that a few times, On this stove you have to turn the air all the way off when the dampner is open or it will get to hot. A guy i work with never uses his cat, He always leaves the dampner open. I don't mind using the cat, It does seem like the wood last longer with it engaged. Also, She orders me.lol
 

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